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  • MrCromulent - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    The specs seem quite nice, not sure if I like the non-CRU battery though. "Outdoor panel" also sounds interesting, but I hope they'll offer a high-res display option. Guess I'll wait for the thorough Anandtech review...

    BTW, it's a Swiss, not a German distributor :)
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  • JasonInofuentes - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    350 nits would certainly be a competitive display brightness, and it's possible that they Lenovo will offer another "slice" battery, that will add another 5 hours and will take some of the pain out of not being able to swap the battery out yourself.

    BTW, fixed! Thanks.
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  • LoneWolf15 - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    350 nits would be beyond competitive. Most ThinkPad T-series and Dell Latitude E-Series laptops have a display brightness from 200-250 nits (there are a few exceptions like the ThinkPad T520 FHD+ display rated at 270 nits). Reply
  • FATCamaro - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Why do people want those awful CRUs anyway? Good to see other PC makers copying apple. Reply
  • DanNeely - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    When you need more than the X hours of runtime provided by the included battery, a second CRU battery is lighter than a second laptop. At only 5 hours of runtime a non-replaceable battery renders it useless for all day use away from a power outlet. Reply
  • Guspaz - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    An external battery works just as well. You don't need a user-replaceable battery in the scenario you describe. Reply
  • praeses - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    An external battery inhibits mobility, generally what you require when you can't plug in somewhere to recharge in the first place. It hardly works "just as well".

    Not to mention, batteries age and die.
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  • larson0699 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    The CRU(b) doesn't inhibit mobility but rather slim design, a big 'oh well' for me. And when that battery does age and die, I would love nothing more than to pop in a replacement with 2 clicks or less, as I don't expect to need today's (or tomorrow's, for that matter) IPS or RAM for Web and office tasks. Not to say no one will. There's just no reason to replace an otherwise-perfectly-functional system when a battery will do. Reply
  • randinspace - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Getting into this kind of form factor with a notebook rather than "settling" for a tablet is extremely tempting, but even though I sometimes can't even use it to browse AnandTech depending on which ads show up I'm going to keep riding my 6 year old Centrino equipped Toshiba until it gives up the ghost. Reply
  • Kristian Vättö - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    2585 CHF = 2933$

    Otherwise it looks fantastic although the resolution is a shame. If that price is official, it's way too expensive to challenge MBA.
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  • beysl - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Electronics are (sadly) more expensive here in switzerland. My guess is around 2k-2.2k dollar. Reply
  • Andrew Rockefeller - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Lenovo's MBA challenger is the Thinkpad X120e. At half the price ($579) but 1/4" thicker, I know which option businesses will go with.. by the pallet-load. Reply
  • Eothred - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    This looks massively great! Regarding the price, I wouldn't be too worried just yet. I've seen prices on Lenovo in Norway which are sometimes twice the regular price. Dunno why, but in any case wait until a normal US shop has it in and see the price then.

    Love the idea of having the buttons above the trackpad only. I remember when I used my T61p the buttons below were never used. I want this! :)
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  • Eothred - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    Hah, here is the Norwegian price in what is normally considered a decent priced web shop: http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=634242

    21k NOK is a massive 3900 USD. I'd love to know why that is, but anyways. I agree with the other statement above, the price will probably be around 2k USD
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  • Gunbuster - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Is that a windows key I see in the photo? Reply
  • Chloiber - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Erm...yes? Reply
  • glindner - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    I love it! But, can they make it in a bigger screen size for us that like the real estate? 15.6 or even better 17.3?? 1600x1200ish res. Backlit keyboard. Imagine the extra space for more batteries! Please...? Reply
  • larson0699 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Those of us *who* like the real estate... use our HDMI ports or buy larger :-/

    Larger screen and backlit keyboard are NOT features of slims/ultraportables.
    Nor would I complain about mainstream-Sandy Bridge's TDP because that only tells the power ceiling of the proc, if you will. I read not long ago that the 35W i3-2100T and 65W i3-2100 (both desktop parts) draw 5 Watts apart at idle, and given what I've seen on AT and elsewhere, SNB wipes the floor with its predecessors in power efficiency at any load -- furthers that Lenovo's choice of a normal-voltage proc in a slim bothers me none. But there's only so much room for the battery. If I could, I'd configure it without (and without reading the full specs on it, so some of these features may already be absent) all the amenities such as the webcam, Bluetooth, optical drive, anything non-essential.

    15.6, 17.3 = 16:9
    15.4, 17 = 16:10
    15 (such as your 1600x1200) = 4:3. You may get that kind of pixel density out of Apple, but the full-frame AR might be hard to spot anywhere..
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  • 8steve8 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    It may be thin, but its big in the other dimensions. A full inch wider than Toshiba's 13.3" r83x.

    35W tdp CPU+gpu seems excessive... wish they chose a 25w tdp sang bridge instead, for less battery drain and less heat. Also wasted volume on a full 2.5" hdd space. For a laptop this size they should commit the chassis to small footprint adds, msata.

    Looks like a step in the right direction, but we need a few more from Lenovo.

    LGs nearly bezel-less panels are going to allow for some exciting ultraportables soon... 14" screens on laptops with 13.3-ish dimensions.
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  • 8steve8 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Typo: meant to type small footprint adds, msata. More volume for larger battery. Reply
  • 8steve8 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    SSDs. Damn autocorrect. Reply
  • sxr7171 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Yes. This design I'm sorry to say is weaksauce. In fact I would go as far as to say it is bullshit. I've been a loyal Thinkpad X-series buyer for almost a decade. Last year I got an 11.6" Macbook Air.

    This laptop is big, and I cannot for the life of me understand why they would waste my time and space with a full size HDD bay. When they made the X40 with a 1.8" drive the design was ahead of its time. Today with HDDs that are fast at 1.8" or even smaller there is no excuse whatsoever for that drive bay.

    The X220 is a pig, the X1 has a bigger screen than I need and is huge in dimension for a reduction in thickness that is mediocre compared to X series "S" models of the past. I have no qualms about spending $2200-2500 on a laptop, just that it needs to be better than this. In a world where I can get a 2.3lb 11.6" machine at $1400 a $2200-2500 machine better weigh less and be smaller. I don't even think this machine is in the same league with the Samsung 9 series. Very sad to say this as a loyal Thinkpad user.

    Thinkpad build quality is better than cheap aluminum, but they need to rethink how to design their machines. This is a step in the right direction without a doubt, but it is not yet there. There is nothing in the lineup currently for X60s or X201s users. I will not buy a heavier thicker machine than what I currently use.
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  • darwinosx - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Something that runs Windows is not "taking on the Air". Reply
  • ananduser - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Yes, what were they thinking. You can build the most reliable hardware in the world but in the end it is worth nothing with the most unreliable software in the world installed on it(aka Windows). I am still having problems figuring why the huge prevalence of Windows. I mean how can you not use a jewel of an operating system like OSX, and that on top of the most exquisite hardware which is Apple hardware of course. It must be true that non-Apple users must be tech illiterate.
    You sir made my day, I applaud your bold statement.
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  • StormyParis - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Mmmmm... my 2 PC s run Win7, none of them has ever crashed, and my desktop PC gets rebooted about once every 2 months.

    You must be confusing Win7 and Win95.
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  • MrSpadge - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    I think ananduser was full steam in irony mode ;)

    MrS
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  • Connoisseur - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    I think you mean sarcasm mode? Reply
  • sxr7171 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Apple hardware is meh, lowest common denominator type stuff. However the OS is no joke. I use that OS 95% of the time now and I have reduced my number of issues and headaches by a very large amount. You wouldn't really know until you try it in earnest. Windows 7 isn't bad but it still isn't good. In fact it is software designed like Apple hardware for the lowest common denominator. I use both OSes so I think I have some idea about what I'm talking about. You should ask Anand what he uses most of the time. I bet he'll have a hard time admitting it to this group of hard core techies who get their tech cred from being able to troubleshoot an OS that tends to need it more than the rest. At the end of day I can't see how using a proprietary MS OS lends more tech cred than using an OS that is UNIX based (FreeBSD). You can have a field day on terminal if you know what you're doing, and if you do, odds are that you know far more knowledgeable about computing than troubleshooting and managing Windows. Reply
  • ananduser - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    True but UNIX heritage and terminal access does not an advanced OS make. The fact that Linux for example is so tightly integrated with the sys console only means that it is more flexible to the end user by being OPEN. Windows being closed source, consumer oriented, a commercialized product(as opposed to open source), obviously has a more closed approach in regard to what an user can access. All this does not mean that the OS is fundamentally "dumb" or less advanced than another. "Tech cred" must not be something to strive for, or at least not through ignorance.

    The iPhone has an obnoxious notification system, apparently has less features than Android, and on paper seems "dumbed" down. In fact it has artificial restrictions that are in place to create a simple, clean and controlled user experience(that's how they put it) and via jailbreaking it becomes a "leet"-er smartphone.

    The internet is full of "versus" pointless discussions let's not make this into one.
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  • softdrinkviking - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    Oh yeah, right. "Let's not make this into one." lol

    You were the one who escalated this thread to begin with!
    I dont care what OS you use, i use both, but don't labor under the illusion that you are somehow not a troll.
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  • Jambe - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    1366x 768 elicits a sadface from me. Reply
  • MrSpadge - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    I wouldn't mind this resolution in this form factor. It's terrible in 15", but for 13" it's.. well, just alright. Sure, 1400x900 would be an interesting option.

    Personally I'd rather have the IPS panel of the X220 as an option rather than a higher resolution.

    MrS
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  • larson0699 - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    You too?

    I hold onto my 16:10 laptops dearly.. 'Twould be nice to see more..
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  • Belard - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Yep... I really DON'T like 16:9 displays.

    In the "old days" (last year) - the Thinkpad T4xx (14" screen) LCD display was as tall as their T500 (15.6") - enough that it made more sense to buy a 14" T series to save 1 pound and a thinner notebook.

    Nowadays, the 14" is 16:9 and now it makes a bit more sense to get the 15" model.
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  • PeterO - Monday, April 25, 2011 - link

    Hopefully the X1 ships with performance oriented Input/Output ports to tap all that SSD glory. Reply
  • ramianreynolds - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    The biggest flaw of this design is the CPU they chose. Seems idiotic to take a sleek, lightweight, energy-efficient machine but saddle it with a power-hungry 35W TDP 2.5GHz Core i5-2520M, when a 25W 2.3GHz Core i7-2649M -- or better yet, a 17W 1.6GHz Core i7-2657M -- would provide near equal performance with the benefit of lower operating temperature and longer battery life. Fail. Reply
  • Chloiber - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    The performance isn't "near equal". But other than that, I tend to agree with your statement ;) Reply
  • seapeople - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    Yeah, what were they thinking. It might be ok when doing normal tasks, because the Sandy Bridge has great power efficiency and low idle draws, but doing something like running Folding@Home on this ultraportable laptop that draws 100% CPU would destroy battery life. Reply
  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, April 27, 2011 - link

    @seapeople, I really hope there is a mobile Folding@Home community out there. No doubt, they're expecting a big influx from the FOF'd Seti@Home crowd.

    Either way, I think the Lenovo goal here was to raise the bar from "just enough" computing to "plenty," and to that end, the 2520M should do well. It will be interesting to see what the thermal performance of this device is, and remember, while we are happy to report the above as confirmed, we cannot confirm that this is the only specification the device will come in.
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  • Osamede - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    Once again Lenovo dumps a low end 1355 x768 screen into what would otherwise be a decent laptop. Will they EVER learn? *shakes head in disgust* Reply
  • mmsmsy - Tuesday, April 26, 2011 - link

    I'm not very enthusiastic about this Lenovo product. It definitely is great to see a laptop so thin and light with standard voltage processor, but there are some important things to notice.
    First of all, just like the guys said, the non-replacable battery is a pain if you use your laptop heavily, because you can't fit a charged one when the laptop is dying during a travel or sth and this notebook can't be used when you want to charge it because of the temperatures and thus it will be less usefull or the battery will wear out quicker, no matter what Lenovo says. Claims about great charging the battery in just 30 minutes to 80% is probably also not so great, because it houses only 38Wh battery if I'm not mistaken.
    Secondly, does anyone know if the internals will be accesible? 160GB SSD is very nice to see, but personally I prefer at least 250GB of storage to use my computer comfortably and I would like to swap the disk for a bigger one in some time.
    Last, but not least, with this thickness it will definitely be at least quite warm or noisy and the price is staggering.
    Taking all that into account I would certainly sacrifice a little lightness and super thin design for removable battery and access to the internals. Add to this that I would never pay 3000$ for a laptop...
    So, to sum up, I'd like to see more a review of Toshiba Portege R830/835 (I don't know the difference yet, but only 830 is available) with the same processor and 66Wh 6-cell battery (9-cell is also available) instead of overpriced and overengineered Lenovo X1. It even has a DVD drive... Really would love to see what it's worth with details. Especially because it is available now in my local store for about 900$ with i5-2410M. Even with one of the new Vertex 3 250GB and faster processor is waaaaay cheaper than X1. Thanks for reading to the end and hope this product will be reviewed :P
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  • JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, April 27, 2011 - link

    I too am excited to see a review of the R830, and am also interested in seeing just how the X1 addresses your concerns, but I would hold off on judging based on price. Why didn't I quote price in the article? Pricing between national markets rarely make any sense. You can't compare the price of a device in Switzerland from the same device in the US or China.

    Either way, can't wait to hear your thoughts once this is reviewed.
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  • TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, May 12, 2011 - link

    The 13" MacBook Air is still superior. The 13" screen on the Air has much higher resolution, and the nvidia integrated graphics easily beats Intel graphics. And the MacBook Air is half the cost. Game, Set, Match, Apple. Reply
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