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  • dagamer34 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    I wouldn't really call it a weakness Anand. It's probably that the time-to-market for Samsung's Exynos processors would have delayed the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a few months, and Samsung is not the type of company that will forsake good sound business decisions just to use its own products. I vaguely remember a quote that Samsung's semiconductor division has to bid for contracts with Samsung's mobile division just like everyone else. It's a good way to keep one part of the company from dragging down everything else. Even if Exynos were ready now, nVidia has already been "christened" as the reference platform for Honeycomb. Tablet marketshare with the brand "Galaxy Tab" is FAR more important than anyone actually knowing what hardware is running underneath the screen.

    Plus, all of the other semiconductor companies you've listed are HUGE players (except Apple, their chips are for their use only, so I don't see any merging there). The only company on that list I can see existing the smartphone CPU market is Intel, but then again, they technically aren't in the market yet with any actual products.
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  • thrust2night - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    So you don't consider Samsung's inability to bring it's SoC to the market as quickly as it's direct competitor a weakness? or the fact that it brought it's own SoC to market so late in order to release new competitive products it had to use a competitor's SoC?

    Fact is Samsung used Nvidia and not their own SoC. That is a weakness regardless of how you spin it.
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  • LauRoman - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Then what do you think (from a bussiness pov) about companies like Samsung not always using their own manufactured material to build things like low end HDTV (Screens).

    I think that they put the Tegra in the tab not only because it is somewhat superior to their own at the moment, but also as marketing scheme. Tegra is the hottest (i honestly really don't know if it is the best) chip atm and it certainly will help sales (at least slightly).

    Didn't Apple bought an ARM license or some company with a license and slapped their bitten fruit logo on to it?
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  • sarge78 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Samsung have used different manufacture SoCs in the past and will do so in the future.

    There will be many issues regarding Samsung's A9 SoC we don't know. Had Samsung planned on using Intrinsity again for a cortex A9/Fast14 SoC? (Before Apple bought out Intrinsity in 2010) Is Orion/Exynos designed around the 32nm process? etc

    Although Anand does make a good point, luckily there's ARMs reference SoC to fall back on. If that becomes uncompetitive then we could see companies like Marvel etc fail.
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  • thrust2night - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Actually from a business pov I would agree with dagamer34. But I am not talking from a business point of view and I don't believe Anand was either.

    Unlike televisions, most people want to know what SoC goes into their smartphones. With HDTV's all you hear are LCD, LED, contrast ratios or 3D capabilities. To find out who made what, you have to dig around.

    This is because, people find information like the type of SoC and its capabilities important now as opposed to 3-5 years ago.

    From this perspective, when Samsung that makes it own SoC's, which btw are much better than Nvidia's, decides to use Nvidia in it's high end smartphone, then that sends serious messages and in turn strengthens Nvidia's position in the market, something that will only hurt Samsung in the future.

    The use of Tegra 2 in Samsung's tablet can be justified by the fact that Tegra 2 was used as a reference platform for Honeycomb. But apart from not having enough SoC's available Samsung can't really justify using Tegra 2 in one of it's high end smart phones. And not having enough SoC's is a weakness.

    I personally think this weakness is brought about by the fact that Samsung has its hands in so many things ranging from microwaves, washers, and dryers to all kinds of computer products and accessories. With a limited amount of resources you can only diversify so much and try to maintain leadership.

    Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Samsung products, but I think they need to do more in the smartphone area because just having a good SoC doesn't mean much if you can't even make enough of it to put into your own phones.

    You are right about Apple. I think they bought a company called Intrinsity and used it to make their processors in-house. Not sure what you were trying to say by bringing up Apple though.
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  • rgsaunders - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    I really think you should qualify your statement in para 3, to read to the effect that a few people, or tech geeks, or something of that nature, as the vast majority of people in the market for a smartphone don't know about or care about the underlying technology, all they are concerned with normally is whether or not it will do what they want, or what the retailer can talk them into wanting.

    Just a quick observation, you, like many others on these forums, have extended your own technical interests to encompass the public at large. As someone who spent 4 decades in the electronics tech fields before moving into retail, I can say that most people just don't care.
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  • sdffds6546 - Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - link

    The phone looks amazing -- I hope Samsung understands though that a lot of the more knowledgeable purchasers (who also serve as advisors to the less knowledgeable) are wary of Samsung's slow to respond to Android updates. Reply
  • usama_ah - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    The phone looks amazing -- I hope Samsung understands though that a lot of the more knowledgeable purchasers (who also serve as advisors to the less knowledgeable) are wary of Samsung's slow to respond to Android updates. Reply
  • Exodite - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    The one marring feature is that horrible button-pad, that alone can probably keep me away from this phone. Reply
  • Chloiber - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    According to Engadget, there won't be a Tegra 2 in the Galaxy S 2. Reply
  • eddman - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    And Anand never said anything about S II having a Tegra 2. He's referring to another unannounced samsung superphone. Reply
  • mongo lloyd - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    The Plus part means that the subpxiel layout is exactly like a normal LCD's.
    http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/img/feature...
    That's good, you get the best of two world's (the contrast of (S-)AMOLED and the sharpness of LCD — no more PenTile), but for me to upgrade from my Galaxy S, I really need a higher resolution to boot.

    The official specs do not even mention a resolution, and I take that to mean it's still 480x800. Boo.
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  • agent2099 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    if the gps issues are fixed you can sign me up for this phone. I only hope it comes out sooner rather than later. Reply
  • jjj - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Samsung is saying they want the tablet to be a Google experience device and that includes Tegra 2,Atmel touch controller and so on.Weather this is because Android 3 is only optimized for Tegra atm or because Samsung is only starting production of it's dual core in March i got no idea.Could even be Google asking everybody to use the same deisgn.
    Samsung is also known to not be shy about using parts made by others,they use LCD panels made by others in their monitors all the time,in the phone segment they recently announced the Galaxy SL using an OMAP.
    In the end giving more options to the consumer is good for them too and most likely that's the strategy but they might also have troubles producing enough SoCs for themself because of Apple's very hgih volume (the CDMA phone could add 5-7 mil units/q globaly)
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  • sonci - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    yea, I think its just a manufacture problem for Samy,
    with 10 million Galaxy sold its not easy to keep up, it seems the best will go for S2 with the TAB a bit cheaper..
    They see nVidia just as another factory
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  • willie12 - Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - link

    Samsung is the worst customer response oem. They dont seem to understand that actually using the phone means anything and they don't update their software. They just sell on specs. Reply
  • (ppshopping) - Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - link

    good Reply
  • lili53 - Friday, March 11, 2011 - link

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