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  • jigglywiggly - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    i spy with my little eyes a 780i motherboard. Reply
  • EvlG - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Nice writeup! Can you send a SMS from the portal? Or just view/delete? Would be convenient to be able to chat over SMS without having to get the phone out of my pocket Reply
  • CallumS - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Hi Anand

    Just noticed that you mentioned two different resolutions;
    In the text: "On the front is the 4.0" qHD PenTile LCD screen (960 x 540 resolution)"
    In the table:4" IPS-LCD 800x480

    Can you please confirm/fix? I hope the first one is correct!

    Cheers

    Callum
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  • Chloiber - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    There is a whole page about the screen... Reply
  • CallumS - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Yeah sorry I noticed that later. Obviously just the table is wrong.

    Looking forward to this and other mobile's with high resolution displays!
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  • StormyParis - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    It does seem to make sense to move phones towards the desktop. They are, or will soon be, powerful enough for most uses. However

    - the price is outrageous. I can get a very good netbook or even laptop for less money
    - the whole setup is proprietary. With the accelerated mobile phone upgrade cycle, it means it's money down a very fast drain. A netbook/laptop will be easier to re-use.

    HP's tap to synch approach makes a lot more sense until these two issues are solved, if they ever are.
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  • Leimi - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Hi,

    Thanks for this great preview, this phone seems to be a really great device :)
    One question though, do you know if the LED is multi color ? You can test this with Blink (you have to switch off screen after choosing a color). It's on the market : https://market.android.com/details?id=imoblife.bli...

    Thanks
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  • jcompagner - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    My carrier has no influence on what phone or what software is on that phone at all. I never buy my phone through my carrier, always just on 1 of the many gsm webshops there are over here.

    Most of the time i just buy my phone when ever a phone comes around that i want to have, i don't look at my contract at all (i also could do that but i most of the time don't do that)

    So buy my phone for 600 euro.. then i go to my carrier when my contract ends (when ever that is) and then i ask them what the best sim only contract there is what they can offer me.. (1 or 2 years). Currently the 2 year was the best so what i get was a 25 euro contract per month where i get 40% off over 2 years, and the first 6 months i did get an additional 50% off on top over that.
    So that's the first 6 months 17.5 euro off (105 euro) and then 18 months 10 euro off (180) thats in total 285 euro that i save, so that i only payed for my high end phone 315 euro on a contract of 25 euro.. And i can buy whenever i want a new phone and extend my contract when thats around the corner.. they are not related to each other.
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  • erwos - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    They apparently want $500 for the laptop dock and $130 for the desktop dock, not to mention tethering charges WHEN YOU ARE NOT TETHERING.

    It's completely absurd, and is probably the first time I've actually started wishing for carrier subsidies to be outlawed, as they are in some countries.
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  • svengalis - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Nope it can't mirror. This is why the Optimus 2x is better to me. It does TRUE mirroring of the WHOLE UI so no need for this silly laptop dock when I can buy a cheap laptop and do basically the same thing for FREE. Reply
  • Shadowmaster625 - Monday, February 14, 2011 - link

    I was confused when I saw that price. Why would anyone pay that? Then it got me wondering... are we not able to simply plug the phone into our own monitor using the appropriate hdmi cable? And then plug in a usb keyboard and mouse? Who needs a even a $190 dock? This article didnt really explain why. I've got 3 usb keyboards and just as many mice laying around. The last thing I want to do is buy another to satisfy their need for revenue. Reply
  • bill4 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    The whole controversy over pentile matrix just scream of something Apple fanboys kicked up to attack the competition. Here's guessing both of the editors you mentioned carry an iPhone everyday. Was I right? Gee, what a shock. They probably also love the "retina display" even though that was the biggest bunch of marketing hooey ever. For multiple reasons, not least of which scientifically the resolution has to be a good deal higher than 960X640 for the human eye to not be able to make out pixels at the distance the iPhone is actually used.

    The Apple bias is the media is just insane. Almost every single tech editor in the world just happens to have an iPhone as his personal phone, even though it's the worst phone on the market.

    Anyways my point is, NOBODY in the real world cares about this. I have a Captivate, and I NEVER would have suspected any problem with the display if I hadn't read about it, in fact I still didn't know what the problem supposedly was after reading about it!

    I'm afraid I dont know if I can go back from Super Amoled, the off angle viewing is just so good, when I look at my friends Droid X or iPhone, they just look so washed out and terrible. Even though I'm not exactly thrilled with some aspects of Samsung, and was considering picking up an Atrix or Inspire, the sad fact is I seriously am beginning to wonder if I'll ever be able to go back to a regular LCD on a phone now, they just look so bad.
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  • bill4 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    ok, maybe not the biggest bunch of marketing hooey ever, but you get the idea. Reply
  • RaLX - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Well I would say you're the one behaving as a fanboy...

    Fer me the iPhone display (even if the name is marketing) has a superior definition for text and images and thanks to it being IPS technology the colors are more natural and viewing angles are very good for a LCD (even though poorer than AMOLED of course).

    I hated Nexus One fuzzy text and everybody it's entitle to their opinions without having to be called names. I can tell you that there are persons like me that doesn't stand the grilled texture vision of this kind of LCD and even though I could live with that I will avoid it whenever I can.
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  • jaredtrobinson - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    lol I agree w/ you.. so much rage from that guy :)

    Anand stated clearly it was a matter of preference. I have an OG Droid and friend has a Dinc, girlfriend has a DroidX. I am not a fan on the Dinc when reading text. The TFTs to me just seem much more crisp
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  • JCheng - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    I personally care about this a lot. I went to the AT&T store to buy a Captivate and was very distracted by the display's flyscreen effect--that was before I ever heard of pentile (which I learned about after getting home and googling what was wrong with these screens).

    To me the effect is NOT subtle and is very annoying, it's a dealbreaker for me. I thought my next phone was going to be the Atrix but looks like it will be Inspire or Galaxy S II instead.
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  • TareX - Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - link

    Ditto. I was almost sure the Atrix was gonna be my next phone. I mean, LCD PenTile???? Bad call.

    I love SAMOLED PLUS, but I hate Samsung's TouchWiz.
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  • TheMan876 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    I'm currently an OG Droid user and I was thinking of getting a Droid BIONIC (almost the same as an Atrix) when it comes out. But this Pentile screen may make me reconsider.

    I was really happy to read that there would be a higher res screen on these phones, but I hate that Pentile matrix whenever I see it on my friend's Galaxy S phone. Bugs the crap out of me and I'm by no means an Apple fanboy.
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  • bill4 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    /AntoineDodsonvoice

    How can tech editors actually cover this product and not instantly realize how stupid it is?

    Hmm, well I can hook it to my phone and it's like a real netbook!

    Hey guess what, Wal Mart sells 10.1", Win 7 starter, 160 GB HDD, netbooks for 249 all day every day.

    This laptop dock thingy, that isn't 1/4 as good or powerful as a real netbook,adds $300 to the price...plus I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere the dock thing is $130 on top of that...but even if it's "only" 300, it makes no sense AT ALL. It's not even more portable.

    The only way this possibly makes sense, is if by using the phone hardware, you save money on the laptop dock thing, aka it was available for say, 99 dollars. Even then it's pretty dicey, as almost everybody probably already has a laptop, and a good portion already own a netbook as well.

    Plus, though it's technically illegal it works fine, with a tether program like PDA net, you can tether (even on an unrooted phone) without paying the extra 20, which you cant do with this dock AFAIK (since, it doesnt run windows to run the PDA client).
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  • strikeback03 - Monday, February 14, 2011 - link

    Because the idea isn't really really dumb, the price is. Would you rather they ignore it until the inevitable price cuts are announced? Reply
  • evan919 - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Hi Anand,

    The reason the Atrix 4G (and consequently the Inspire 4G) suffer from UMTS-sh upload speeds is because AT&T requests the handset manufacturer to disable HSUPA. The same thing occured with every smartphone besides the iPhone 4 on AT&Ts network. I have a Captivate that has HSUPA enabled by flashing the modem firmware with an HSUPA enabled firmware. Just a little insight. I'm enjoying the review.

    http://emuneee.com/2011/02/is-att-disabling-hsupa-...
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  • shabby - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Those are just pathetic speeds, 4g my ass att. Im getting 6mbps down and 3mbps up on rogers 3g network with my captivate using bells unlocked hspa modem. Reply
  • FrozenAsset - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Unless I'm missing something, why waste money on a dock? Can you bypass a dock completely?

    Can you not just provide your own keyboard / mouse and attach by USB hub or connect by Bluetooth?

    It comes with it's own HDMI cable, cant you use that to connect to an HDMI monitor or TV and browse the web at the same time without also paying for tethering?

    The dock I have for my Panasonic TV / iPod is a dumb dock, no chip, no software just a place to sit it and connect to the TV. Why would anyone spend that kind of money on something like that?
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  • Mumrik - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    It's up to you whether you'll take this as a compliment (personally) or an insult (to the site), but Anand, you are by far the best writer at Anandtech. I'm far more likely to read every word of an article if you wrote it, and as I started to read this one I was immediately able to tell that you were the author. Reply
  • SpartanJet - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    On the "The qHD Screen: A Pentile LCD?" you have a thumbnail of both the iPhone LCD and the Atrix LCD unfortunately when you click on the thumbnail they both link to the same picture.

    I'm really interested in this phone but the screen seems like I'd fall into the "it would bug me" group. I pre-ordered this phone now looking at that screen I'm starting to have my doubts. I think the screens are the 2nd most important feature on these smartphones.
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  • JCheng - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    What's the first most important feature? Reply
  • notposting - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Hey Anand,

    I thought I remember seeing that the power button doubles as a fingerprint scanner on the Atrix but I didn't see you mention it.

    Interesting perspective on how things work in the technological fields...this may be the first of it's kind but probably won't be the one that really hits that balance of price and performance just yet...nice demonstration unit though.

    Also agree with the other poster...very well written article. :)
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  • PubicTheHare - Sunday, February 13, 2011 - link

    Anand,

    I didn't see a reference to the bootloader. I know Moto likes to lock it up (Droid X, Droid 2). Any idea if they did it with the Atrix?

    If so, we can assume they will do it with the Bionic (please preview this one, too!).

    Have fun at MWC!
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  • sid1712 - Monday, February 14, 2011 - link

    Anand, you've written that the OptimuxS2X has 4" Super AMOLED display instead of the IPS LCD that it has.
    Also, it would be great if you would give your opinion on the call quality via the earpiece and the loudspeaker quality. Do the dual microphones improve the call quality significantly ?

    Cheers
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  • TareX - Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - link

    I'm extremely disappointed with the PenTile LCD.... even Samsung fixed that with the new SAMOLED PLUS displays... I knew there had to be catch with the Atrix 4G.

    I'm even more disappointed with the contrast and brightness... isn't anything competitive with Apple's IPS? I'm starting to believe Apple really does make the best hardware decisions.

    I am disappointed.... I like Motoblur, actually. I would take it over anything LG makes. Sigh.
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  • xaml - Tuesday, February 15, 2011 - link

    But can it run Crysis? Reply
  • Weedkillers2 - Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - link

    Hiya

    Due to initial reviews iv read the concept of the dock / webtop is good but its a bit slow...

    Mabye it would be in Motorola's interest to create an Overcloking Application when the device is running off external Power such as

    The Laptop Dock or the HD Dock

    this would boost its peformance when mains connected and make the device more appealing in thouse situations to no realy change of the product required.

    (obviously use at own risk feture or atleast different levels of over clok use at own risk)

    Dylan
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  • synaesthetic - Wednesday, February 16, 2011 - link

    Until smartphones have modular and universal OS capability, they won't replace computers.

    When you can just hop over to Google's website and download a new, universal version of Android, and then hop on over to Motorola's website to download your device's appropriate drivers, THAT will be the moment that smartphones can truly attempt to replace PCs in the mainstream market.

    Until that happens, walled-garden systems, lack of speedy updates and OS fragmentation will keep them in their current niche.

    Oh, and they should *ship* with root access easily enabled, just like a computer. No exploits or hacks required, a simple flipping of a switch in the OS to enable superuser permissions.
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  • TareX - Thursday, February 17, 2011 - link

    Can Ananad (or anyone who held the phone) tell me how bad the text "fuzziness" was in the browser, on a zoomed out view? Some reviews said it appeared "pixelated" and unreadable despite of the qHD screen. Reply
  • EMM81 - Saturday, February 19, 2011 - link

    Anand can you give some more detailed impression/images of the Atrix screen. If it really is a pentile matrix it would be an RGBW scheme. This is unfortunate because it is basically like adding a white sub pixel to the existing red, green, and blue sub pixels and calling it twice the resolution. So by my calculation the screen is really ~679x382 if you considered RGBW as one pixel. I would assume that the impression of this screen would therefore be that of a lower resolution than 800x480 and theoretically the white sub pixels would allow it to either be brighter when displaying non color saturated images or to lower the back light and save power. Since your graph clearly shows a lower contrast ratio the only possibility is power savings at the expense of quality. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong but this does seem to be the case. Reply
  • DisplayGeek - Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - link

    You are indeed wrong and here's why:

    http://www.nouvoyance.com/files/pdf/measuring-pent...

    Counting the number of subpixels, when using a system that uses both subpixel rendering and metamer rendering (where one uses the fact that white can be produced by both a single W and the combination of RGB) allows the display to use only two subpixels per pixel *on average*.

    Yes, the RGBW system allows the power to be cut roughly in half.

    The full on white to full off black contrast ratio is dependent upon the LCD technology itself, how much light leakage occurs in the dark states. It has nothing to do with the subpixel arrangement or color filter system, or its mode of operation. Though, the Dynamic Backlight Control does improve the contrast when dark images are shown, as reducing the backlight brightness makes the darkest states darker, while maintaining the brightness of the intermediate grey states. But that wasn't tested here.
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  • arth2910 - Monday, February 21, 2011 - link

    The Meizu M9 actually has the highest resolution of available android smartphones (matching that of the iPhone 4's). Acer's Iconia Smart also appears to be touting 1024x480. Reply
  • eawortman - Friday, March 04, 2011 - link

    Is there still a full review coming? Reply
  • santro652 - Saturday, March 05, 2011 - link

    Hi Anand,
    I am planning to get the Atrix carrier free version from USA, can anyone tell me if this phone will work in India or is there any unlocking required after taking a carrier free version. Please. Thanks in advance.. If anyone else knows the reply please let me know ASAP, Please
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  • Kawboy12R - Thursday, April 28, 2011 - link

    Looks like the full review got derailed somehow. I'd love to see some AT reviewage though. Reply
  • tipoo - Saturday, October 08, 2011 - link

    This was a preview, is a review still coming? Reply

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