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  • multivac - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Pun intended? Reply
  • Dustin Sklavos - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    No, but now I feel stupid for not having thought of that.

    You are awesome for pointing it out, and I congratulate you.
    Reply
  • multivac - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    dont be mad, its just not the best of titles considering the press dell got recently.
    im sorry if that offended you, perhaps it wasn`t the best way to point it out.
    still it was a good article of an odd product line for the site.
    cheers
    Reply
  • Dustin Sklavos - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Dude, I thought it was hilarious. No offense at all taken. Reply
  • Ganesh_balan - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    That was quite impressive! I wonder if the system ever had to be overclocked, what could be the stability issues the user might be facing! Reply
  • 7Enigma - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Exactly. After all the detailed descriptions and commentary, I'm shocked the author just missed/ignored this fact. I wouldn't touch this system with a 10-foot pole with that craptastic PSU. Reply
  • beginner99 - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    yeah and probably pretty inefficient. typical of pre-build systems. Crappy PSU, crappy case, crappy mobo and crappy bios.

    And being "quiet" and "low-temp" is easier if you omit dust filters. So temps will go up pretty fast with dust accumulation. That vent almost at bottom near gpu is prone for dust intake especially if the case is on the floor.
    Reply
  • Lapoki - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    ...and i was scared to put a 5850 in my system with Corsair VX450 PSU.
    Thankfully everything is running great with a E8400 @ 4.2 GHz and 5850 @ 925/4800.

    Found a very good article at Tom's which helped me in going ahead with this purchase decision:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/balanced-gamin...
    Reply
  • adonn78 - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    The PSU being only 460 watts and being a generic one that is probably only 60% efficient and probably not well made scares the be-jebus out of me. Reply
  • HOOfan 1 - Sunday, July 11, 2010 - link

    Delta is not generic... Reply
  • Operandi - Thursday, July 15, 2010 - link

    Delta makes very high quality PSUs, far from "generic" and better than 95% of the trash that has a "brand name" with a fancy label and LED fans.

    Normally you'll find Deltas in high-end workstations and servers, not menial desktops.
    Reply
  • HOOfan 1 - Sunday, July 11, 2010 - link

    Umm...Delta usually makes excellent PSUs.

    385W on the 12V rail is more than enough for an HD5870
    Reply
  • strikeback03 - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    I was wondering the same thing. From the Anandtech review numbers for the CPU and GPU it seems like this PSU would be running well above 50% under load, wonder how well it would hold up to that. Reply
  • Alexvrb - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Probably will run fine, at least for a good while. They lose money if they have lots of failures, so they certainly wouldn't choose a PSU that can't make it past the 1 year warranty - at least not on purpose. It's not the best PSU in the world, I'll give you that, but I think it will be OK in the vast majority of cases (I wouldn't recommend overclocking)

    My dad has a lower-end XPS 7100, and it's actually been a pretty good machine so far. It's equipped with a lowly Athlon II X4 2.6Ghz, 4GB of DDR3 1333, and a 5450. He doesn't game on it, and it's plenty fast for Office, H.264 content, etc.

    Also, the mainboard may not be cutting edge, but it actually supports 16GB of DDR3 1333 and hex core processors. A lot of the cheaper OEM boxes tap out at 4GB or so. So if you opted for a more basic XPS 7100 configuration, you can toss in a better PSU yourself, and upgrade it a decent bit down the road.

    I used to hate Dells with a passion, but that probably stemmed from my experiences with their lowest end series, that were (and probably still are) junk. This machine is not bad for a mainstream OEM box.
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  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    FWIW, I have a Dell XPS 410, and it has been running happily (and powered on) for the better part of three years. The XPS line is a big step up from their standard Inspiron in my book, and while the Delta Electronics isn't likely to be the best PSU around, the one in my old XPS is doing fine. In fact, the GPU fan (on an old 7900 GTX) is the only part that has started to get a little louder over the years. Reply
  • strikeback03 - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Sure, it might be fine, but in this class of system you are probably getting some users who actually know what is in the system. I wonder how much more a Seasonic OEM PSU would add to the cost ($10-15 maybe) and whether it would be worthwhile. Reply
  • HOOfan 1 - Sunday, July 11, 2010 - link

    Why should they go to Seasonic? Delta makes excellent PSUs...many of Delta's PSUs are better than competing Seasonic PSUs. Reply
  • johnsonx - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    lol, obviously some sort of spam comment that should have a trick-link in there somewhere Reply
  • aoskunk - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    I laughed when I read this as I found it spot on. In november I built a new rig for the first time in 4 years. I had considered buying a comparable system as this however I decided to experience the fun in building my own. However since I had not been reading this site daily like I do now, it took a good amount of research to get caught up to date with all the latest tech, hardware trends and current hardware manufacturer reputations. I had a budget of about $1200 and was going to reuse my Lian Li case that had cost $300 and still listed at about $100 and my dvd-rw. So it took a lot of research to make sure I got the absolute best bang for my buck. Ended up with a Quadcore i7860, 4890, 8gig ram, modular corair 750 power supply and a 1 gig 7200 which i just upgraded to a vertex2. Beautiful system, bios take longer to load than windows. I love it. Runs WoW at make settings without a hiccup, ever.... NOW.

    HOWEVER. the
    "hair-pulling frustration as parts that “should work” don't. Bad RAM, faulty motherboards, and other potential problems can mar the DIY experience". Computer worked great for the first 3 days. Then i got a couple random BSoD. Then the dvd isnt recognized. I buy a new one and it still doesnt work. Then it freezes one time and never starts back up. Asus tech support informs me its a bad motherboard. Get that after 3 weeks and it boots up. But that first day I get a BSoD. I reboot and there doesnt seem to be any problems so I dismiss it. Fast forward 6 months and I've had prolly 6 BSoD with them becoming more frequent and I don't know why. Then one week it snowballs into everytime I start the computer and then I start up to find that its claiming my win7 pro is not authorized. I scratch my head as this was the first time I actually paid for an OS since i got it for $30 by using an .edu email account, right from microsoft. I read up, run memtest+ and get 30,000 errors on a stick. So i take it out and everything runs great. I currently have to RMA the G.Skill 2gb stick still but everything is finally stable and running mind boggling fast. This took until just recently though.
    That's 2 main system components that were defective brand new shipped from New Egg. Exactly the concerns listed in this article. The rig years ago I built i realize in retrospect likely had the same exact 2 problems based on the symptoms i had with that one. That motherboard had to be replaced after 3 months and the ram was prolly what caused the BSoDs that i got every now and then.
    Now do i regret building my own PC? no i happen not to, though if i hadn't been able to diagnose the problems and had to bring it to somebody and pay through the nose then YES i would regret it. I feel i'm a better techie now having overcame the problems. Now they really werent any big deals but its a pain having to wait for RMA hardware. Something to consider when deciding to DIY or not.
    Before you say anything, NO i did not cause the problems I'm certain it was just coincedence. I know how to handle and install the mb and ram. How often do you guys get defective new hardware when building a new rig? 2 bad components has to be sort of rare yes? I used to think that not building a rig yourself was crazy because you could save yourself money and all dell and acer and such do are fill your system up with bloatware. I know give them some credit for testing their systems to make sure they actually run. Now i don't know how well they do that but they must do it decently well. To those that build a lot of systems in the manner that I did how often do you get bad parts?
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  • TGressus - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    The only real issue with DOA equipment is the trip from the distribution warehouse to your home. You have the couriers to thank for that.

    The first level tech support at the vendors would rather you RMA than return the product to the retailer. It is also rather difficult and not cost effective to diagnose via phone/email.

    BIOS configuration is more complex than ever, and most default settings are for legacy compatibility. Proper BIOS tuning seems to be taken for granted anymore, and requires continuous exposure through frequent system building or a lot of reading. The RAM probably required manual configuration just to work without error.

    Rather than slander, I'll reserve judgement on the OEM and vendors you chose. Newb Egg reviews are riddled with good intentions and epic failure like this. I applaud your effort, but I am disappoint.
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  • aoskunk - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    I'm not sure what you meant your dissapointed about? it turned out i had done nothing wrong, seeing as how once i got working parts everything was perfect. bios was far from complicated to setup. just select the proper xmp profile which it explained right in the directions that came with both the ram and motherboard. slecting right boot config. in fact i dont think there was really anything else to change other than the timing to skip Asus' own quick access OS. Aside from core multipliers etc. (I am now perfectly stable at 4GHz!)
    Unfortunatley at least where I live the cost of going to a repair shop would likely end up costing as much as say, my videocard. But like I said there was no error on my part, just some bad luck. I paid extra for good shipping from a carrier that doesn't subject your packages to falls from as high as 12 feet. I agree that there is a lot of misinformation posted in the reviews on newegg. They do often have some of the best pricing and pretty good RMA service though.
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  • BernardP - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Each time I look at the possibility of configuring a Dell system, I run into a couple of things that keep me from proceeding. One is the limited possibilities for adding hard drives. No experienced user wants to run a single 1 TB HD with everything on it. My preferred combination is one system drive and 2 data drives, one mirroring the other. No can do here.

    The other thing is that Dells no longer ship with a true Windows install DVD. There is a basic configuration already on the HD and you have to burn your own disc image of this in case of an eventual reinstall. It's not possible to format the drive and do a clean Windows install from an OEM windows DVD.

    Don't try to partition the drive either, as the partinioning software will wreac havoc with the hidden Restore Partition.

    However, a basic pre-built is certainly a great option for the casual user (like my parents) who are happy to just surt the web and send email.
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  • seapeople - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Did this just change? My Dell Inspiron from April shipped with a Windows install disk. It was simple to do a reformat and fresh Windows install. Partitioning is fine to do as well. Of course, the partitioning does kill the Factory Restore functionality, but why would I want to go back to the factory state anyway when I have a Windows install disk? Reply
  • DominionSeraph - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    With Dell it's always questionable what you're going to get. I've gotten disks that restore it to factory state, ones with OS + applications so you can just install the OS, and straight Windows disks. Reply
  • BernardP - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Yes, it's a new policy effective April 1 2010:

    http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/deskto...
    Reply
  • seapeople - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Wow, I was lucky it seems! Reply
  • harbingerkts - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Long story short - with their windows 7 systems Dell's using a recovery partition and telling users to create recovery disks. I had to request the OS and Application disks through a form on their site. Reply
  • damianrobertjones - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    "The dock offers sets of shortcuts at the top of the screen not totally dissimilar to the dock in Mac OS X."

    I'm sure that I had a Windows 95 machine way back in the past that had various menus at the top of the screen from oems and other etc.

    I don't think we'll ever have any article that doesn't mention apple now. People want to know about the damn machine and most won't even know or BOTHER to realise that shortcut icons look like the ones in OSX.
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  • cknobman - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    That coupled with the gimped chipset ruin a otherwise decent build for the price (from a cookie cutter manufacturer anyways).

    With only 460 Watts say goodbye to overclocking or expansion.
    Reply
  • Powerlurker - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Overclocking is probably the last thing on the mind of someone who is buying a computer from Dell. Reply
  • Quake - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Overclocking? Dell? Please... Reply
  • seapeople - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    The other MAJOR problem with buying a desktop computer from Dell is that you're out of luck if you want to run drivers specific to HP laptops. So if you want to run such drivers, you should probably get a computer that supports it.

    Also, if you're planning to upgrade to a more power hungry $400 video card in the future, isn't it possible to pay $70 for a better power supply as well?
    Reply
  • erikstarcher - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    What in the world are you talking about? Why would you want to run specific HP laptop drivers on a Dell desktop??? Am I missing the point, or did you type something wrong? Reply
  • seapeople - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    I was implying that expecting to overclock a Dell is almost like expecting to run HP specific laptop drivers on a Dell desktop. It was sarcasm. I must have failed. Reply
  • prof.yustas - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    I have a very similarly configured system, but compared to my older DELL, it is loud. Short of changing the case (or using liquid cooling), what can I do to make it quieter?

    Thanks.
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  • HangFire - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Open it up, run it, and stop each fan one by one with your fingertip or a rubber eraser. When the big noise goes away, you have found the problem fan. Call Dell and RMA that part. Reply
  • prof.yustas - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    There is no problem with parts. The system is just loud because it uses more fans and those fans are more powerful, I guess. Reply
  • wilmarkj - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    You cant compare a Dell to a machine built from standard OEM parts. Dells tend to have non standard motherboard sizes, cases, powersupplies, power connectors with odd pinouts. SOme have suggested that dell does this to deliberately prevents users from servicing their systems. I always tell everyone a built up system will cost you more but the advantage comes when you need to change out/upgrade a subsystem, they dell you just throw away. Reply
  • erikstarcher - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    This is no longer true. Most Dell machines have standard mATX motherboard layouts, and use standard power supplies. Some minor modifications may be needed due to power switch on the back of a power supply, or different pinouts used for the front of the case lights, etc. The only ones that differ are their optiplex machines and they use the BTX standard, and small form factor machines, which there is no standard for. They did use non-standard parts many years ago, but not anymore. Reply
  • wilmarkj - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    I wont trust them as you have no control over what they use (unless i see a commitment on their website that they use standard industry parts) although you are saying this case its standard parts. Due to their history i wont trust this - a computer from dell has to be at least 20% cheaper for this to be a good comparison for similarly bought retail hardware. Just yesterday i was hooking up a recently company bought Optiplex and it had some crazy DMS 59 connector for the monitor (video card), although it appeared to be a standard ATI video card. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Dell stopped using proprietary PSUs and cases (other than the BTX models) about 3-4 years back. Previously, you needed an adapter to use a standard ATX power supply with a Dell motherboard, but that has not been the case for some time. I believe I even mentioned this when I did a Dell system review in 2006... yes, here it is:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/2081/4
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  • wilmarkj - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    Buddy, you are missing my point - unless there is a commitment from Dell that it wont use not standard parts in desktop computers - connectors (all types needed by the enthusiast), voltages, cables, etc, your point is moot. And its not just about the power/mb cnx. You are merely saying that in this case... or it has been the case in systems you've worked with. They took a decision in the past to do this and the easily can again, or have or will, in some cases etc. Its a risk, one i wont take as an enthusiast to end up with an oversized brick. I SAY AGAIN - Dells have to be significantly cheaper for a level playing field. Parts you buy from ASUS, Gigabyte, from newegg, TigerD etc will always be standard and interchangeable - with one of the other 8 computers i have here. Google some key words like Dell Non standard parts etc and you will see this issue is still alive and well. Reply
  • LokutusofBorg - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    You may not be able to compare Dells to DIY, but I certainly can. It's a subjective comparison. You don't seem to get that point.

    I've been building my own computers for more than a decade. I also have built computers for family members and friends. Guess what family members and friends get nowadays? Dells. Guess what my own computers still are? Self-built.

    Can I call you buddy too?
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  • wilmarkj - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Sure you can call me buddy. I supposed you love the 'standard' mounts for hard disks in your dell XPS, or the short psu cables, and these compare very subjectively well what you'd get with Antec etc - right. Reply
  • LokutusofBorg - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    I'm pretty sure you don't know what subjectively means. It means I put my own value system on the judgment, so it is completely isolated to my situation. There is no reason to talk about comparing Dells to DIY *objectively* because every decision like this (what computer to buy) is a personal one.

    Dell fits parts of the market very well. Lots of us that consider ourselves system builders quite happily buy Dells in certain circumstances. This was a great article from one of my favorite sites on the merits of a certain Dell model as well as the current trend of Dell to target mainstream segments with competitive pricing.
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  • DominionSeraph - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Try getting an i7 or DDR3 to fit on your 440BX motherboard.

    The simple fact is, incremental upgrades are rarely worth it, and nothing has ever been future proofed nor been universal.
    AMD and Intel come out with a new socket practically every year. Server and consumer parts are rarely compatible. Multiprocessor systems can be a nightmare. RAM changes constantly, motherboards are finicky about what type/speed and in what configuration you place them, and we won't even get into buffered/ECC.

    I've got a box I originally put together in '99. With a total of ~$3000 invested, it's now up to a Pentium III 700 with 384MB, a Geforce 2 GTS, and a 60GB PATA HDD. Great investment, no?
    Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't you buy this epitome of an enthusiast machine from me for, say, $1,149.99?
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  • wilmarkj - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    I think you are in the wrong place - upgrades to a large extent mean Changing out: mb+ram+cpu OR graphics OR ps OR case OR monitors OR storage or any combination of these. It seldom makes sense to CO just the CPU or RAM, or the MB. Those guts (mb+cpu+ram) usually finds its way into another system (your own or sold), etc. Stuff you bought in '99 isnt likely to be worth anything really unless its an antique. Just a little primer in upgrading. Reply
  • DominionSeraph - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    You just disproved your own point with "another system."
    If you have two computers, you have two computers. Putting some new parts into an old case and transferring old parts to a new case is not somehow more efficient than leaving the old system together and buying an entirely new one. Your brain might be fooled into thinking that buying two halves for two different computers is somehow less than buying one entirely new computer computer, but it's not..
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  • wilmarkj - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    As i said you seem to be in the wrong place. When you change out the MB/CPU/RAM to the current technology - for most practical purposes you have a 'new' system. The only other thing you may want to look at is what you video card is capable of. Other than that the other parts you are likely to put in an entirely new build will most likely perform just a well as the old parts (old for me means about 6mths to 1 year). Allowing you to take the core of the system you just upgraded to improve the performance of another even older system. This way just buying a single MB/CPU/RAM or even a new video card allow you to upgrade several systems. Theres no fooling here of the brain here - you will get measurable performance improvements commensurate with the upgrades. There, you got another lesson. Reply
  • GamerDave20 - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Dominion,

    Your point about upgrades made me think back to the mid-1990's. Subjectively, most upgrades apparently ARE worth it to the upgrader.

    I tend to want a completely new system after 2 to 4 years rather than upgrading my current system that I am usually quite tired of.

    This may also stem from some of my past experience such as: buying a $4,000 P90 system in 1995 with a Diamond Stealth with 2MB VRAM! only to upgrade in 1996 to a Matrox Millenium ($419) and adding an Orchid Righteous 3D ($300) 6 months later.

    Eventually, I swapped both out in 1998 for a $200 Diamond Stealth II which absolutely smoked my then favorite game - Soda Off-Road Racing.

    Shortly thereafter, I built a P200MMX system and used the Stealth II and put the P90 back to stock and sold it at a garage sale for $200. :( (don't remember what I did with the $700-worth of video cards though).

    Anyways, from this stemmed a rule for me to never by a single computer component (for a new system or as an upgrade) for more than $200 and that it's more fun to just start over - although hard drive upgrades have kept me going for another year several different times.

    But, to me, nothing beats a brand new system (unless you buy it and then research all the components to find out that the vendor used all of the least expensive of everything (like my P90)!

    Anyways, having hating Dell in the past due to their anemic stock RAM loadouts (256MB for WinXP in the early 2000's), this system sounds worth a look. I only periodically look at Dell's laptops (with there current lack of great video cards in their XPS laptops) and have not noticed this system or any desktop of Dell's.

    Also, in the past 6 months, I haven't been able to price pieces for a system to build that satisfies me for less than $1,200 and that includes an HD 5770. So this isn't too bad.

    Dave (GamerDave20)
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  • LaughingTarget - Friday, July 09, 2010 - link

    I just buy the thing with the expectation that I'll hold onto it for about 4 years. The only time I bothered to upgrade anything was putting an extra 2 gigs of RAM into my Conroe machine when I picked up a copy of Win7. Reply
  • freeturkeys - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link

    That was a standard ATI video card, the connector is for a dongle that splits to dual VGA or dual DVI. Just noticed the age of this though, so you probably already know this by now! Reply
  • HangFire - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Its been how long since Dell stopped using non-standard P/S pinouts... 6 years? 7? Unforgivable, perhaps, but hardly relevant anymore.

    I've got news for you, most OEM PC's stay stock for their entire lifetime, save for RAM and maybe a new hard disk. After 3 years they get reformatted and the kids flog it for a while playing Flash and Web games and then it dies and gets thrown away. If it lasts 5 years total people get their money's worth and are satisfied.

    If this does not describe your desired experience, skip the article, because if you read it, you'd find the article already says that these systems exist for people who don't want to even think about upgrades and mods. The fact that it doesn't come stuffed with crapware and McAfee is the only s/w you have to uninstall is a near miracle, plus the fact it comes with a decent CPU and video card for a reasonable price, means that you can recommend this system to a family knowing that Mom and Dad will find it fast enough for 3 years and the kids will play games on it OK and it won't become a tech support nightmare for you, their computer guy friend.
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  • wilmarkj - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    What you state is not news - you hardly have a choice. I Hardly think that a 6 Core Phenom with 6 GB RAM and HD 5870 maketh a computer for Mom and Dad. If you read the article you will see its the writer of this article that made the comparison to a built from parts system. My post was merely putting this in what i thought was a more accurate perspective. I still dont buy that crap about Dell and using standard parts - ive see too many recent dells had had so much non standard crap (see my post about the video card). A decent video card and CPU is about all here though and seems unmatched by the motherboard, and as far as i recall the segate XXX.11 has a history of issues. This system looks a little ridiculous, and then its justified based on its parts. Afterall this is anandtech, not pcmagazine. Reply
  • LokutusofBorg - Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - link

    We just bought XPS 8100s at work, which look to be the Intel twin (i7-860) to this model.

    We added an SSD and it was a PITA. The hard drives mount sideways and only use the screw holes on the bottom of the drive. The mounting bracket that came with the SSD only had side screws. So my SSD is just loose in the HD slot.

    And the power cables from the PSU are *maddeningly* short. Like, I-want-to-hit-somebody-in-the-face-for-making-them-that-short short.
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  • HangFire - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    If you can't locate HDD/SSD adapters with bottom screws, power cable extenders, can't drill and tap a hole, or get out a soldering iron, wire and shrink tubing and just fix it, you are hardly in a position to promote upgrades.

    Grow up and deal with it, these are all trivial things that don't even approach the level of case modding. If you have built a few dozen custom systems you've dealt with worse, or maybe you haven't...
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  • wilmarkj - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    Rubbish! You say elsewhere - "most OEM PC's stay stock for their entire lifetime", and now you're telling this guy to pull out his soldering iron. Dell computers are crap. This guy started with a dell - you expect him to pull out his soldering iron?? I have built over 500 systems from parts, several servers and workstations, and special applications computers - all from off the shelf parts - NEVER DELL - they short change you and utilize horrid practices/cut corners, like the way they mount drives, cable specs, etc. While i like a challenge - i never go out of my way to encounter unnecessary trouble. Reply
  • HangFire - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link

    Or don't use a soldering iron, just buy the adapter, but he is so hot about his mad moddin' skillz I had to point out he was ranting about the trivial.

    The whole point of the matter is OEM PC's are not made for massive upgradability, if that is what you need deal with it and don't buy a Dell, that doesn't make them horrid. It just makes them what they are, OEM PC's, the solution for 80% of the market, including factory available upgrade parts that fit right in for 80% of upgrade needs. If you and yours don't fit into this percentage of the market, good on you, buy custom or build your own.

    Once you catch up to the number of systems I've built, modded, and repaired, you might realize that there are lots of people happy with OEM PC's out there, and don't mind buying an all-new one every 3 years. There are advantages either way.
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  • seapeople - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    That sounds dangerous. We all know how susceptible SSD's are to any bit of vibration. If it's not mounted properly and your dog bumps your system you could lose all your data! Reply
  • chucko6166 - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    I purchased a Studio XPS 7100 a few weeks ago for my son.to use as his primary gaming machine. It works as advertised and it's been rock solid stable. I've built plenty of systems over the last 30 years and my selection criteria for this PC heavily favored bang for the buck, performance, and stability. I'm willing to give up a bit of performance to insure stability, and in my case overclocking is not something that I'm interested in, as I really don't need the extra few percent of performance that overclocking would provide.

    Before I ordered I put together a build list on NewEgg and discovered that I could not build the same system for the price that I paid for the Dell. The choice was a simple one, and I commend Dell for building a quality PC and selling it at a reasonable price.

    It's cool, quiet, stable, and provides good bang for the buck and excellent performance for a PC in the $1000-$1250 price range. I configured it with 8GB of RAM and the HD 5870, and frame rates are superb at 1920x1080.

    Life is good.
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  • harbingerkts - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    My situation was fairly similar, except with the deal that Dell was running at the time I purchased, I could match the price on Newegg if I bought the cheapest component in each class on Newegg... but the Dell came with a 2 year warranty with accidental damage coverage.

    If you haven't already, throw even a cheap 64GB SSD in there as a OS/Game drive. The difference in speed vs the HD they put in is night and day. Just make sure to request the full OS / Application disks from Dell if you do.
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  • adonn78 - Thursday, July 08, 2010 - link

    I am a bit afraid oft he 460 watt budget generic Power supply unit used int hsi system. On top of that I would be afraid of the system overheating int he summer months with the standard air cooling heatsinl/fan. Other than that it seems like a powerful system for the price. but I'd rather get a system from ibuypower or cyberpower off of newegg for about the same but with liquid cooling, better PSU, and a nicer case with better cooling. Reply
  • Wolfpup - Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - link

    I've had to switch to a notebook so haven't been paying as much attention to Dell's desktops anymore, but skimming over the Studio XPS 7100 and 8100, it's looking like they still offer a nicely put together system at a reasonable price. Back in the day I bought about half my systems from Dell, and half built myself, and never had complaints with Dell...I think they use standard power supplies on most systems too, so it's probably fine even if you need more power down the line. (Plus my Dells were always quieter than my systems I intentionally bought to be quiet using Sonata cases and the like.) Reply
  • lapasta - Friday, October 29, 2010 - link

    nice system
    but for that config $1,149.99 damneddddddddddddd

    im dutch and i know im a little paying to much attention on what is the cheapest LOL

    but cmon

    550W stille power supply
    Processor AMD Phenom II X6 1055T SIX-Core (AM3, 8MB, 6 x 2.8 Ghz, boxed)
    Mainbord Asus M4N68T-M AM3 (support 8GB ram)
    Video nVidia GeForce GTX 460 768mb gddr5 Directx 11 HDMI out
    HDD 500GB S-ata2 7200RPM
    memory KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 1333MHZ PC10600
    sound 7.1 High-Definition Audio
    networking LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
    USB 2.0 connections 4x Usb 2.0 at the back, 2x USB 2.0 at the front
    Microfoon connection 1x at front
    headphone 1x at front
    DVD dr5ive Samsung Dual Layer DVD-R +/- 22x
    garanty 2 year inclusief with support

    and the best part now in stores for only 500 EUR thats 692,85USD

    god i love holland lol

    peace out greetings pasta
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  • Bruce20 - Friday, November 18, 2011 - link

    I bet this thing would be great for a home <a href="http://musicoven.com">music recording</a>. I need to get me some better supplies than i have. Reply
  • qzyxya - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - link

    I have this computer and i'm wondering what speed of ram to get, I know it has 4 ram slots and can accept 16gb (i assume), but idk what speed.

    Also what is the name of this motherboard?
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