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  • gayannr - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    'Since I’m not important enough to have an exchange account, "
    is that sarcasm . lol
    Reply
  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    No no, no sarcasm intended. I had an Exchange account briefly while I was in school, but that was a year ago. I'm really not important enough to have one ... ;) Reply
  • glynor - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    You could test most of the Exchange features using a Gmail account and Google Sync. Reply
  • EricC - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    " I'm really not important enough to have one ... ;) "

    Since I know the author, I can vouch for him on this one :D
    Reply
  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Hehe, Tim just sent me an email about this! :P Reply
  • 5150Joker - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    iPhone 4G or Sprint Evo 4G with Froyo on it? Reply
  • add119 - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    You apple fan boy one android 2.1 came out in january 5th.. google release it with nexus one. Two android 2.0 came out in november with update 2.0.1 in december.

    Android 1.5 came out in may 2009 plz don't come mentioning phones without researching because all verizon phones has 2.1 os with sprint as well even htc hero and sammy moment has 2.1 os. T-mobile has mytouch3g slide with 2.1 os and cliq and cliq qt with be both getting 2.1 os next week. The only phone left behind is google g1 with 1.6 os and behold 2 with 1.6 os just released this week with that os changing from 1.5 os to 1.6 to behold 2. People if you going to buy any phoone don't go a&tt they suck like changing google option and take features away go with t-mobile or verizon. And, sprint sucks because they don't do ota they like giving update online with manuel. Personally that like rooting the phone it can mess your phone up.
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  • whatthehey - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    If you're going to be a tool and criticize an article, try learning how to speak and write intelligently first. Your rant is full of a list of phones and supposed release dates, but it has nothing to back it up other than the mindless diarrhea of the mouth that you spewed out. I don't care if the various releases of Android came out a month or two earlier than what was listed; what matters is whether the current 2.2 release is better, and that's what this article tries to cover. Reply
  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Thanks for pointing that out. But, Eclair released on October 26th 2009, which is why I said November 2009 as a more general estimate. And yes, add119 learn to put down your thoughts a little more cogently. Reply
  • jasperjones - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Nice write-up, I've been running FRF50 on my Nexus One for the last few weeks and my experience has been similar.

    However, I feel the articles in the smartphone section could be more rigorous. I realize that we're dealing with different OSes as well as different devices at the same time. This makes comparisons and benchmarking harder. You cannot just throw out an NVIDIA card and put in an ATI card. But just because it's harder to line up various devices/software against each other doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
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  • probedb - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    A handy article being as I'm about to buy an HTC Desire.

    Finally why is there no way to report spam posts? The two above me blatently are spam.
    Reply
  • Brian Klug - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Just nuked 'em ;)

    Cheers,
    Brian
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  • hughlle - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    "but this is largely attributable to the responsiveness of the screens being used in many Android devices. One of the main reasons why navigating the iPhone is a pleasure is because of the incongruously more accurate and responsive capacitive display"

    so the negative side of the screen on the android is that it is too responsive, and apple is better than them because of their phones being so responsive? sounds kinda contradictory.

    it also comes off as if trying to say that iphones have a capacitive display and other phones dont. my htc's capacitive display is just lovely.
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  • SkullOne - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I agree with that. My Droid running the leaked FRF57 is very responsive. I have zero issues controlling the touch screen.

    Froyo is visibly faster then Android 2.1. Most apps don't make use of the JIT compiler yet but then again Froyo isn't officially released so that will change.

    I do enjoy Flash 10.1 Beta 3 immensely. Battery life isn't hit that hard and it's nice being able to actually browse the Internet without blue blocks everywhere. The plug-ins are able to be set to "On Demand" as well meaning if you don't want Flash loading automatically it doesn't have to. Flash ads aren't an issue either due to other applications on the Android Market. ;)
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  • kenthaman - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I agree. My Droid has been running exceptionally well with FroYo installed on it. I do however have to say that after initially loading it the responsiveness when scrolling through my app menu was still sluggish, but since the package that I installed is rooted I installed one of p3's kernel packages and the Overclocking Widget and now have my phone set to 1.1 Ghz rather than the stock 550Mhz and this effectively removed nearly all lag that I've experienced.

    On a different note I have noticed a few things that still seem glitchy and expect that this is simply due to the beta (read:unofficial) image. Specifically I have been unable to install the latest version of Google Maps (4.3.0) from the market it downloads and attempts to install, but then reports installation unsuccessful. I'm not too worried about this as other apps have installed fine and again this isn't a final product.
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  • Stuka87 - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I believe what he means is the majority of the android phone screens lack responsiveness. And that the iPhones screen surpasses them in this regard.

    And test done by other sites show this. The Nexus one screen is the closest out there to Apple in this regard. The Motorola Droid on the other hand was extremely bad. Which I notice every time I use one. This test was run before the Incredible came out however, so its quite possible its much closer to the iPhone. And in my experience using one briefly, I would say its pretty close.
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  • pdusen - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    The Motorola Droid screen is extremely bad? Come again? What universe are you living in? Have you ever even been in the same room as a Droid? Reply
  • IanCutress - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Nice write up. I'm still waiting for my Hero to get 2.1 here in the UK - should be sometime before July, but they've put the date back six times already. There's also no plans to move to 2.2 on the Hero, which is a shame if the JIT in 2.2 is that much better than 2.1. May have to root and flash, see what that does.

    Ian
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  • dguy6789 - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I believe there is a typo in the performance section of the article. It is mentioned that there is a 60% boost in performance in the Sunspyder and BenchmarkPi when the numbers in both of those tests show more than 100% speed increases. Reply
  • hughlle - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    wrong way around. higher to smaller.

    if something takes 10 seconds to complete and you get it to do it in 5 seconds, it is a 50% increase in performance. same applies for those benchmarks.
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  • Zirconium - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Nope, dguy6789 is right. If it takes you 10 seconds to complete something that only takes me 5, then I am 100% faster than you, not 50%. Think of it like this: you and I are running a race (in this case, Android 2.1 and 2.2 are racing to complete a task). If I finish in half the time as you, then I am running twice as fast, or 100% faster. According to the numbers posted, Android 2.2 is about 140% faster on BenchmarkPi and 155% faster on SunSpider.

    Is it just me, or is it sad that I have to explain basic math on a tech site?
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  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    That's right, I just saw the spreadsheet I had with the numbers and noticed an error in the formula! Let me update that ASAP! Reply
  • hughlle - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    haha, i'm just tired and confused. i'm sat here thinking that if something is 100% faster, that it is not though a 100% performance increase. just ignore me today haha Reply
  • cleric7x9 - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    Actually, since you are using the word "faster" as a qualifier, you begin with the slower (higher) value. Therefore, 5, in relation to 10, is 50% slower, or in other words, 100% faster.

    Is it just me, or is it sad that I have to explain basic math on a tech site?
    Reply
  • djc263 - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    Actually you aren't using math skills anymore. English language skills interpret objects and comparative language. You admitted the math skills were correct, while disagreeing that he had identified the object of the comparative phrase. Reply
  • ekerazha - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    The fact that Android lacks WPA-Enterprise support (auth through certificates) and a decent proxy support, makes it unusable with "advanced" network infrastructures therefore useless for many people. Reply
  • Death666Angel - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    http://pboos.ch/wordpress/2009/04/android-using-wp...
    Requires some work, but there you go. :)
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  • ekerazha - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    It's hackish and the phone must be rooted, so it's not an acceptable solution. Reply
  • fepple - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I thought the Nexus one update was official? I remember seeing links to the ROM on a google.com domain? Also I thought I saw instructions for installing it with the standard (locked) boot loader?

    One thing I've noticed is my GPS seems to pick up a signal way when I turn it on than 2.1. Also I grabbed a radio update at the same time, which gives me loads better 3G - but I think thats cause I put a crappy update on before :)
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  • Spoelie - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I'm not convinced it was the best choice to standardize on "black text on white background". This makes sense if most devices are TFT with poor blacks, poor viewing angles, high brightness and constant power consumption - but aren't most new devices AMOLED? On those screens, a white screen consumes a lot more power than a black screen, and you don't have any contrast problems. It would make sense to invert the colors on those devices. Why not make it switchable?

    Or a make it switchable?
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  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Good point, but the AMOLED or the more recent Super AMOLED screens are only present on the high-end devices from HTC or Samsung. Since majority of the devices are still on TFT screens, I guess black text on white is a step in the right direction. ;) Reply
  • mpschan - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I thought 2.2 was supposed to include bluetooth dialing.

    http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highl...

    So my question is: Does Froyo include bluetooth dialing or not? If it is included like , how in the world could the author not mention it. That is a deal breaker for so many of us as many states ban hand-held phone use in cars.

    Hell, I'd love to see the feature just so my iPhone loving friends lose another talking point as to why iPhones are superior.
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  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Well, I was aware of the Bluetooth dialing feature, but I didn't have a Bluetooth headset to test it out. Sorry for the confusion! Reply
  • mpschan - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Understood.

    But let me stress how important a feature this is. I will not buy a new Android device until this feature is implemented. The risk of getting a ticket or having to pull over to the side of the road to make a call is ridiculous.

    Since you put in something about how you couldn't test exchange, I'd recommend doing something similar for bluetooth dialing.
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  • homebredcorgi - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Do you mean the ability to just speak the contacts name in the headset and have it dial? If so, it is there...I did it yesterday on my N1. Reply
  • CombatChuk - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    HTC actually pays Microsoft to put an actual Activesync license on devices that have Sense UI. Having the license on there enables Remote Wipe, Pattern Recognition all the features that Server admins like to run. Google with their Nexus One DID NOT pay for this licensing, so if the Server admin doesn't enable those security features (which he should if he's worth anything) then the stock Android 2.2 OS does not have full exchange support... Reply
  • Red Storm - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    When oh when will we get some sort options in the market? I'd love to be able to sort apps by their rating, download count, release date, name, etc. Reply
  • homebredcorgi - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Seriously. The market is a mess without sorting abilities. I was very sad to see that Froyo did nothing to address this issue. Reply
  • Jingato - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    I guess it doesn't have the one feature I was hoping for and really think it is lacking. That's the ability to begin entering a phone umber and have it populate a drop down of all the matching contacts and recent calls that match. :-( Reply
  • Saumitra - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Although the dialer does not have that feature natively, there's an app called aContacts or Dialer One that gives you that feature so give one of them a shot, they're free. ;) Reply
  • The0ne - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    This is why I hate apps in general. For some of the most basic and common sense stuff, it requires apps to do them. Why? Is it so hard to type a number and have a list come up? Seriously?

    I need to apply to better design the UI. Personally, it's horrible and outdated.
    Reply
  • bla5t3d - Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - link

    Ummm my 1.5 Magic Sense UI has that? Or am I mixing this up with something else. Reply
  • dmjazzijeff - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    While I'm not keen on Android (disclaimer: I've only had light hands-on time with a Droid while I configured it to work with a client's Exchange 2007 server), I have to admit that the Android WiFi hotspot feature makes me envious.
    Do the various and sundry carriers ding you with a tethering fee to cover this (AT&T, I'm specifically looking at you)?
    How does battery life fare when you're using your phone as a hotspot?
    Reply
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  • ScruffyNerfherder - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link

    Please add performance comparison to iPhone3GS, iPhone4 and iPad. Reply
  • strikeback03 - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    right, I'm sure they are going to get right on comparing a pre-release OS to unreleased hardware. Reply
  • quasi51 - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    I'm in the market for a new smartphone but I need to be able to encrypt email on the device. I'd much rather buy an Android phone than an iPhone but I can't find any information on how to do this. This is available on the iPhone 3GS/4 with iOS4. Any suggestions for something similar on Android? As far as I know there aren't any Android devices with hardware encryption but I'd be content to try a software solution. Reply
  • Veroxious - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    I was hoping that the official Froyo release would have a native media player that could play divx etc......as this has been one of the big thing lacking imho.....that is the only thing I am soooo missing on this otherwise brilliant HTC Desire.

    Also a more simplistic manner of controlling data/updates etc via 3G. There have been many times where I just needed to do some 5 minute browsing using 3G only to have all the programs that access the internet starting up in the background and scoffing down megabytes that makes my head spin at the cost.

    Lastly, no navigation in Google maps yet?
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  • B3an - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    "However, things did get a little choppy on some of the more intensive websites like South Park Studios, which then, invariably took a toll on the battery life too. I’ll be honest, a warm Nexus One is not fun to hold in your hands...at all."

    You make it sound as if Flash is the only thing thats going to get the phone this warm. Playing Flash vids on Froyo does not drain the batter any faster than playing vids in a media player app, nor does it get the phone any hotter. The same goes for games.... but i dont see Apple not allowing video or games on there devices.

    Flash on Android 2.2 proves very well how well Flash can run on a phone (with a touch interface too), and that Apple, as usual, are talking BS.

    And i would have liked to of seen more on Flash performance in the article, not just a quick video mention on one site.
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  • ScruffyNerfherder - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link

    "right, I'm sure they are going to get right on comparing a pre-release OS to unreleased hardware."

    Uh, that's what this article is all about (a pre-release OS, duh) which as of today is officially released to open source.

    iPhone 3GS and iPad are already out (duh) and iOS4 for iPhone was released to the public earlier this week and has been available by other means for a while.

    Many if not most of Anandtech reviews are done on hardware that has yet to be released to the public (duh). And we are talking a few days from release to the public (double duh). If iPhone 4 is still not available to Anandtech or they aren't allowed to publish numbers yet, that's fine, just compare to iPhone 3GS and iPad.

    It seems like old news (go watch the Day 2 keynotes of this years Google I/O conference on youtube and Froyo 2.2 on Google Nexus performance is already compared to iPad) and Anandtech is usually on top of these type of comparisons. Maybe because its Apple, they are being extra super careful to get everything exactly straight before releasing comparison numbers and incurring the wrath of Jobs.

    After tasting this Froyo article, I'm ready for the main course. Bring it!!!
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  • SmCaudata - Friday, June 25, 2010 - link

    "...Froyo still lacks the overall smoothness and responsiveness of Apple's iOS. "

    I have an iPod touch and the thing lags and such all the time. They try to use animations to make it seem smooth, but it certainly isn't perfect. Granted it is an original touch, but from day one the thing would lag on me. I get delays adjusting settings. Delays launching the music player, etc... It is tolerable, but certainly not perfect.

    Why does Apple always get a free pass?
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  • ChronoReverse - Saturday, June 26, 2010 - link

    Apple always gets a free pass it seems =/

    At least you can fix many of these niggling factors. I'm using LauncherPro for instance so I don't get lag in the home screens for instance. Live wallpapers will obviously slow things down but they're also optional. Instead of the stock keyboard, I'm using the Swype beta and it works wonderfully (after an initial bout of training).

    Then there's other neat stuff like Navigation and Voice Searching that works rather well.
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    How could you say 2.2 isn't groundbreaking?

    1. Flash implementation, full web browsing capabilities on any website now.

    2. JIT compiler, making the processor 250% faster and more efficient.

    How are these not groundbreaking?
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