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  • steveyballme - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

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  • SoulSlave - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    Well, they simply don't have to deliver linear performance increase. Anything above what SLI has to offer, at a reasonable price point would suffice, I mean, who would prefer to be straped to a single GPU manufacturer when you could have any combination of GPUs you want, delivering better performance? Reply
  • biostud - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    The only problem for nvidia regarding Lucid Hydra is the loss of a need for a nvidia chipset.

    For both AMD/ATi and nVidia Lucid Hydra still needs two videocards, and since this is the core business for both companies it doesn't matter that much if it's going to replace Crossfire and SLI.
  • rjc - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    As have an affected notebook, have been following the bad chips news stories, there is a reasonably informative article here:">

    If above holds i cant imagine the relationship between nvidia and notebook oems will be very good over the next 12 months. Whichs a pity for them as the notebook market seems to be growing quite well despite everything. I guess this is the idea behind the smartphones move - different business though volumes higher and margins tighter than on high end graphic cards.
  • whatthehey - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    Strangely enough, all of the stories related to this inevitably seem to lead back to the Inquirer "reporting". You'll pardon me if I just can't take anything from Charlie Demerjian seriously. This is the same guy that hates NVIDIA and Intel, so I hardly expect his take on the situation to be reliable. There are certainly some problems with some of NVIDIA's chips, but nothing has indicated this extends much beyond a few select chips (8400M, 8600M and 8700M I think).

    What specific laptop do you have that has had problems, and what GPU does it use? I know I have a laptop with an 8800M GTX and I've had no problems whatsoever. (It's one of the Clevo units.)
  • rjc - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    The article i linked claims from their sources the problem chips are the G84, G86 and G92. They couldn't confirm if the G94 also had problems.

    Again from the article nvidia has sold a total of 70 million of these chips. If say only 1%-2% need to be replaced then nvidia will be ok, say 10% or more would be kind of disastrous. As its early days people are trying to extrapolate from the current failures to get the eventual overall rate.

    Re shooting the messenger is a natural thing to want to do. I think psychologists call it "correspondence bias" where you assume the messenger has an agenda ie is evil and thus their message can be ignored.

    Personally my laptop is a asus with a 8600gt a v1s. It idles at over 60C, heavy workload can push it into the 70s ie the danger zone from the article, finally games send it into the mid 90s. According to notebook-review forums asus is getting regular returns on their g1s gaming laptop which has a 8600gt and trying to replace them on the quiet. I guess they want to try and avoid the bad publicity dell and hp recently got.
  • Frallan - Friday, August 29, 2008 - link

    Any1 heard about the C90s??

    Same chip - but other cooling however Im starting to get some very disturbing signs from mine.

    Also yes it it the Inq-well but that doesn't mean its wrong. Analog Just because you are paranoid it doesnt mean they are not coming for ya.


  • iwodo - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    ARM with Nvidia Graphics, aka the Tegra. And Desktop, x86 with VIA Nano.
    I am sure with some Restructuring Nvidia could surely sell x86 in some form. As long as it take control of VIA by other means without losing x86 license.

    Interconnect - there are already Hypertransport. Nvidia has the Chipset experience. And Dual Core Nano isn't exactly low performance either.

    If AMD could do it, why not Nvidia?
  • Griswold - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    "As long as it take control of VIA by other means without losing x86 license."

    Voodoo. But since that doesnt exist, its not going to happen. Which answers your last question.
  • shin0bi272 - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    Nvidia seems to be too concerned with other things at the moment to do anything about Lucid's Hydra. I also dont think that the hydra engine cares what the instruction is it just passes it to the right video card and takes requests from the cards and passes them to the north bridge. Its like the Xor chip on a hardware raid5 card. It just sends what ever data is sent to it to the right card or reads from the different cards and sends those requests to the system. Its a traffic cop. Well thats how I see it anyway... whether or not it actually works remains to be seen. Reply
  • computerfarmer - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    It is nice to hear new things and different takes on the subject.

    One thing I would like to see, is the promised review on the AMD 790gx/SB750.
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    End of next week or Monday 9/8 for 790GX plus 780a comparison/update, retested with the 8.8 drivers this week and they changed the scope and tone of the story we had almost completed. The G45 will be up right before it, just to show a comparison on where Intel is at this point, which honestly is not far considering the driver and repeater problems. Reply
  • Theunis - Thursday, August 28, 2008 - link

    Don't forget 790GX and G45 on Linux tests! Man I'm getting worried about Linux being left in the dark when it comes to hardware decoding for H.264 :( Reply
  • tayhimself - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    Flat out stating that it wasn't too interesting. Nvidia are in a difficult position and playing their cards very close to their chest. Reply
  • DigitalFreak - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    There's only reasons Nvidia is being forced out of the chipset market are:

    1) They're being assholes when it comes to SLI compatibility with non Nvidia chipsets. Neither Intel nor AMD need Nvidia chipsets anymore. Both have well designed products to cover their entire markets.

    2) Their chipset products are buggy as hell. When's the last time Nvidia released a chipset that didn't cause some type of data corruption? Nforce4? Nforce2?
  • DigitalFreak - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    As far as Lucid goes, do you really think Intel would be dumping boatloads of cash into this outfit if they didn't think the technology held promise? It's not going to cure world hunger, but it sounds like the Nvidia PR machine is spinning up 'cause they're getting worried. Reply
  • Griswold - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - link

    Right. Thats why Intel dumped billions and billions on the HUGELY successful Itanium, which was intended to eventually replace x86 in the consumer place as well. And it did! No, wait - it didnt... Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - link

    $50M isn't really "boatloads" to Intel - I think that's the value I heard in one of the reports? R&D is expensive, and if Hydra/Lucid ends up going nowhere Intel won't worry too much - they'll probably still get some patents and other interesting info from the whole process. Reply
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