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  • tiggerjedi - Saturday, December 15, 2007 - link

    Can you use DDR2 on the P5E3 Deluxe too or are you restricted to using only DDR3 with this motherboard? Reply
  • Deusfaux - Friday, September 21, 2007 - link

    Something with features like the remote? Reply
  • chipsetguy - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Some notes on Bearlake-X
    It has 2 Gen2 (5Gbps) x16 PCIE slots - 32 lanes off of the north-bridge
    There are of course the 1x4 (or 4 x1's) on the south bridge - these are gen1. (ICH9)
    There is a hardware prefetcher to help decrease memory latency (CPU -> DRAM reads)
    It natively will support 1600/1600 (X48 version).
    Support for new 45nm CPU's (single quad core)

    With new DDR3 already at 1800Mhz, its going to really fly!
    Reply
  • chipsetguy - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Guys - all a G35 is a re-packaged 965p - with support for fsb 1333. You guys are funny. Reply
  • 8steve8 - Monday, September 24, 2007 - link

    the g35 is not a rehashed g33 or g965

    your statement is false or at least misleading..
    Reply
  • chipsetguy - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    My bad - is a G965. Of course it has internal graphics... My bad. Reply
  • Jodiuh - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    "...but then again we do not express any love for several board manufacturers who tend to use the entire Crayola color palette on their boards."

    THANK YOU!! I sincerely hope the hippies @ Gigacolor hear about/read this. What is so hard about using 3 colors like the DFI Dark, eh?

    Jod
    Reply
  • 457R4LDR34DKN07 - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Where is the Maximus Formula SE/Xtreame? The only thing this has really got going for it is eSata. Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    The R.O.G. boards will probably be released in November. ASUS is trying to pull the date in but we do not have a final schedule, yet. Reply
  • larson0699 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    quote:

    Our normal process is to change our power settings to performance, delete the contents of the Prefetch folder, and then reboot after each benchmark run.
    What about disabling prefetch/superfetch, if not also a few services?
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    We do not disable services as we try our best to mimic the user experience. Obviously, clearing the Prefetch folder does not allow that to happen but it is the only way to get consistent results. Over time we have seen the benchmark scores move up to 3% when leaving Prefetch enabled, does not sound like that much, but we try our best to keep the benchmark variables under 0.5% within the test suite. Also, Vista has just about doubled the time it takes to run the benchmark test suite, if you ever had an issue sleeping, just watch WorldBench 6.0 run five times in a row. Reply
  • FireTech - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Gary where are the promised µATX and P35 round-ups?
    After 6+months, you've run out of credit at the excuses bank. It's time to deliver on your promises, then you can get back to the Intel launch parties....
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    µATX G33 will be next Wednesday and will include the NV MCP73, the first P35 series will start this Friday with the Foxconn MARS board and the abit/Gigabyte mid-range boards late next week. The AMD µATX is scheduled on 10/2 with the budget P35 boards following on 10/5. Reply
  • FireTech - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Sorry Gary but these similar words are still fresh in my memory:
    quote:

    Our Editorial Calendar underwent a couple of changes today due to article changes for tomorrow and Wednesday. The first uATX board overview goes up on 8/23 in the afternoon or that night for Friday the 24th, the next part is up on 8/29 followed by another one on 8/31. Somewhere in the middle of all that is the first of two P35 articles and the start of the GPU/IGP image comparisons.

    Are these new dates set in stone?
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Still fresh in my memory also. ;-) Yes, the dates are set, the only one that might move a day or so is the second P35 article for late next week. AMD is going to have a Phenom/RD790 preview that I might have to attend next Thursday. Otherwise, the dates are good this time. Email me and I will explain the situation. Reply
  • JKing76 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    New chipset, great. Are we ever going to see the fucking micro-ATX roundup? And no, I don't count that bullshit "dedicated video is faster than integrated video" part 1 fluff. Reply
  • Nickel020 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Hey, thanks for throwinf us a bone Gary! ;)

    I was wondering what the max FSB of the exact CPU used in the tests was when using P35 boards? Thats one of the biggest hopes that people have for teh X38, that it will allow higher FSBs for quads, because as of now, most people can't get over around 450 FSB on a P35 when using a quad.
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    The max (stable) FSB of the Q6600 on the Blitz Extreme was 468, on the DFI P35-T2R (is an absolute knock out with the 9/13 beta bios) was 470, P5K Deluxe is 464, and abit IP35-Pro was 462. The X38, once mature, will really improve overclocking of the current processor lineup (until you hit the CPU FSB wall) but is really designed to shine with Penryn.

    However, I believe Intel has just about reached the limits of what they can do with the memory controller based on what we are seeing now, so stock performance is not going to vary that much from a P35 or even 680i/975x in most situations. It appears the BIOS spins are going to need a month or two to really extract the best performance out of the chipset, and DDR2 performance is not that impressive at this time. We will show numbers with DDR2-800 at 3-4-3-9 as a base and a really good P35 board is going to give some of these X38 boards a run for their money until you get the DDR2 speeds up around 1100.

    My personal opinion is that the DDR2 X38 boards will quickly replace the upper end P35 boards in the market since the price points will be the same after the launch hysteria is over. Expect to see the P35 drop to the $75~$150 market only by early next year.
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  • Nickel020 - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Thanks a lot for the reply Gary!

    You got me thinking again though, I was just going to sell my P35 DS3 and keep the P35 DQ6 for Penryn. But maybe I should sell the DQ6 now as long as it's worth something and use the DS3 until X38 Boards are somewhat mature and then upgrade (and sell the DS3).

    Do you think X38 DDR2 Boards will have a significant overclocking & performance advantage over P35 boards with Penryn?
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Thursday, September 20, 2007 - link

    quote:

    Do you think X38 DDR2 Boards will have a significant overclocking & performance advantage over P35 boards with Penryn?


    They are showing around a 5%~9% improvement currently, but I have not received a P35 optimized BIOS for Penryn yet, but then again, the X38 BIOS releases are still immature. We will know more in a couple of weeks I think but right now, unless you go DDR3, not seeing any real performance improvements with DDR2 on the retail X38 boards, a couple of percent here and there but the DFI P35-TR2 board is faster than the X38 DDR2 boards I have right now for single card GPU situations. Still waiting on another BIOS release or two before publishing the final numbers. ;-)
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  • jppoet - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I though the ICH9R could only provide 6 PCIe lanes?

    How can the third physical x16 slot be wired with 8 lanes?

    Lanes from the ICH9R are also needed for the x1 PCIe slots, each of the NICs and the JMicron JMB363.

    Where are all of these PCIe lanes coming from?
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I think the X38 is 40 (or 42?) total PCI-E lanes. That would handle the three x16 slots, and the other stuff would come from the SB. Reply
  • hifisoftware - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    What does it mean:
    quote:

    However, based upon our preliminary overclocking tests, if a vertical mounted fan in an air cooling unit such as the Tuniq 120 or water cooling is utilized then additional cooling will be required on the MCH and PWM areas.
    ?

    Will it need some extra heat sinks or just a side fan blowing on existing heatsinks?
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  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    It means a down blowing fan (Tuniq 120 is side blowing) might be necessary. However, as this is a preliminary X38 article and the latest respin appears to address heat and power concerns, this may become less of a problem on retail mobos. Reply
  • tynopik - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    page 7

    > DDR3 boards will be REGULATED to the very high end of the market for the near future
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  • DigitalFreak - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    What's this green team launch on the 25th? A 680i replacement or something on the low end? Reply
  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    C72 for mainstream and C73 as 680i replacement.
    later something with HybridSLI support for intel.
    Reply
  • takumsawsherman - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    eSata is fine and all, but at this point, can't we just get some Firewire800? Does it really cost that much more? I can understand that a motherboard destined for OEM is going to need to be pared down. These, however, are enthusiast boards. And Firewire lets you daisy chain, which is nice, but Firewire 400 is getting a little long in the tooth, and you are sharing a bus at that point. Tack the $2 on to the price and do it, already. Reply
  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I think Mac coming with 800.
    at least before they switched to intel.
    Reply
  • mostlyprudent - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    It's almost laughable how long it's taken to see Firewire800 show up on motherboards. I'm with you - to see a $250 motherboard with Firewire400 instead of 800 is absolutely ridiculous. Reply
  • DigitalFreak - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Funny thing is, there were quite a few boards a year or two ago that had Firewire 800 (mainly from Gigabyte). Not sure why everyone is going back to Firewire 400. Reply
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Gigabyte use to have Firewire 800 and from all indications about a dozen (me included) people cared about it according to their marketing group, plus the cost was about double for the chipset. After speaking, sometimes pleading, the motherboard manufacturers are going to stick with Firewire 400 for the time being, originally most of the new boards were not going to have it. Reply
  • Hulk - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    It's great to compare this new chipset to other current designs but a lot of people, like myself, are considering an upgrade from older designs. I have a P5B Deluxe and would like to see a 965 based chipset in the performance graphs Reply
  • gramboh - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I'm also a P5B Deluxe owner and I don't see much benefit to moving to P35/X38 at all. There might be a 3-5% performance boost and potentially better overclocking, but really nothing is different.

    I plan to wait for the next generation MB's and for DDR3 prices to drop. I might then upgrade my mainboard/memory in late 2008/early 2009.

    FWIW I plan to drop in a 45nm Penryn quad core into my P5B-Deluxe in summer 2008.
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    We will have comparisons to the older boards in the launch article, well, the article that will contain retail boards. Right now, our first retail board with the revised X38 will not arrive until this Friday. Monday might be just be a fluff PR article on the chipset specifics until we get at another board or two in. Reply
  • hifisoftware - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Good review.
    It's good to see DDR3 reviews once in a full moon (just to know where it stands performance wise), but 99% of people would rather see DDR2 review. DDR3 is just way, way more expensive without providing anything in return. I am looking for a new system so I want to know whether I should go with P35 or X38? Sounds like X38 will be more expensive and not much better (I do not care about running cooler, unless it can be translated to a higher overclock)
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    The quad-core FSB OC results are quite a bit higher than anything we've seen so far. Many quad cores have issues running at FSBs beyond the low 400MHz range. Then again, with the lowest quad-core having a 9X multiplier, I don't really see this as a huge limitation. Reply
  • hifisoftware - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Thanks. I guess then there is a reason for me to wait 2-3 weeks to decide if X38 price justifies it's OC abilities. Reply
  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    In your case will be smarter to wait for chipsets with PCIe 2 support.
    not to mention soon coming HybridSLI with 1600MHz support from Nvidia and X48 from intel.
    and the Phenoms triple and quad cores will be released. Many new technologies. If it's not broken, let it work another half year.
    Reply
  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    The passive cooling solution is good, but have some problem.
    The problem starting when you install this heatpipe cooled boards into cases like Enermax CS-718 (http://rusisrael.com/albums/pic/o/00/00/28/2863.jp...">http://rusisrael.com/albums/pic/o/00/00/28/2863.jp.... According to Asus support, "After all, the board is not designed to be installed "upside-down"" and they suggest to consider other cooling solutions in case of overclocking. It took me more then a week to get straight answer for the question "Does installation direction have negative affect on cooling". The question was asked about my P5N32-E SLI, but i suspect it remains true for all boards with heatpipe cooling solution. What is disappointing me most, is the fact that this information not found on Asus's site as "case compatibility" or "installation directions" or some other kind of note or warning.
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  • strikeback03 - Thursday, September 20, 2007 - link

    My question about the heatpipe cooling is related to this:

    quote:

    However, based upon our preliminary overclocking tests, if a vertical mounted fan in an air cooling unit such as the Tuniq 120 or water cooling is utilized then additional cooling will be required on the MCH and PWM areas.


    So why are these companies creating cooling solutions that work best with inferior CPU cooling? The heatpipe towers and water certainly seem to be the best CPU cooling, but the board cooling system looks like it was designed to work with the stock Intel cooler.
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  • mostlyprudent - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I couldn't be happier to see the passive heatpipe cooling. After reading the reports of the X38 being a "hot" chipset, I was worried that I would be back to screaming/failing little chipset fans...whew...thank goodness. Reply
  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    there always water cooling option. which i'm thinking about.
    One circuit for CPU, GPU, NB and SB (like Nautilus 500) + Termalright for mofsets should be perfect for sane overclocking and quiet PC.
    Reply
  • Etern205 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I guess what they mean by "upside down" is do not install into a
    BTX case?
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  • n0nsense - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    No, they meant that the only (the best) way to install this boards is when CPU socket located on the upper side.
    look at the picture of CS-718. in this case CPU socket is in the lowest part. This mean that hotest part of heatpipe system is higher then coolest. Heatpipe working the best when coolant vaporized at hotest part, then liquefied at coolest (radiators). Liquefied coolant should return somehow to the hotest part (chipset), and when motherboard "normally" this done by gravity. When the board installed in "upside-down" or horizontally, this SHOULD be done by capillaries, which are way less effective according to Asus support and wiki.
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  • Etern205 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    I was right about this "do not install into a BTX case"

    The Enermax CS-718 supports ATX motherboards, but the design is based on the BTX specs.
    On a correct ATX case, if the back of the case if facing you, then you will open the panel on the right. And when the opening is facing you the front will face to the right.
    http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2901/1015uh6.jp...">Image


    As for BTX if it's place into the same position, then you will open the panel on the left, which is what the Enermax CS-718 is designed to be and when the opening is facing you the front will face to the left. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6379/1007xq2.jp...">Image
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    FYI, I deleted your (numerous) multiple posts. A little bit of patience goes a long way. Once or twice I can understand, but three sets of multiple posts? Hopefully that was just a weird error on the part of your system. Reply
  • n0nsense - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    it is a problem with my computer @ work.
    I guess it's caused by Synergy.
    Anyway, thank you for clearing my extra messages. It's sad that i can't remove or edit my own messages.
    Reply
  • n0nsense - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    it is a problem with my computer @ work.
    I guess it's caused by Synergy.
    Anyway, thank you for clearing my extra messages. It's sad that i can't remove or edit my own messages.
    Reply
  • 8steve8 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    is the intel g35 chipset launching with the x38? if not, when will it launch?


    while the x38 doesnt offer much tangable to the users of p35 or 965p, especially those of us that are sane (ddr2 users), the g35 appears to offer a vastly improved 3d engine, and native hdmi support. "vastly improved" over the g965 and g33, which, for example, i can play warcraft3 at 1600x1200 w/full settings... this is onboard video... very impressive.
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  • Gary Key - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    quote:

    is the intel g35 chipset launching with the x38? if not, when will it launch?


    It is scheduled in late October now. However, we do have the NV MCP73 launching next week and it looks like a very interesting part at this time. The big issue with G35 at this time is the driver situation. Intel is just now getting the G965 operating correctly under XP and the latest Vista drivers are still a joke. We were hoping to have a G35 preview with the G33 roundup and MCP73 release next week but that has been called off until drivers are in better shape.
    Reply
  • SunAngel - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    quote:

    G965 operating correctly under XP and the latest Vista drivers are still a joke


    What are you referring too? The Hardware and Lighting. It was out last month. We have to wait until SP1 for microsoft to fix some issues. Other than that, the G965 drivers are operating flawlessly.
    Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Actually, the beta drivers and the first 14.31 release still had issues with Vertex Shaders along with HW Lighting hiccups. 14.31.1 has corrected about 98% of the problems under XP and there should be a follow-up release shortly to correct corruption issues in BF2 terrain along with flashing in several games and hopefully Alpha Blend, Tiled Alpha, and Tiled4 Alpha blends will work correctly 100% of the time. However, under Vista with the 15.6 drivers, there are still numerous problems from HDMI not working to OpenGL failing to Hardware Lighting not working at all in many cases. Reply
  • SunAngel - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Add another who is dying for the G35, although it doesn't add much over G965 other and DX10 and port multipliers.

    This X35 board is hot. Look at all that connectivity on the back panel. If I were not in bed with Intel Viiv at the moment, this would be the board for me. I know never to expect something like this from Intel, but it would be nice if Asus made this G35 board a Digital Home board supporting Viiv.

    I'm also going to be sorely disappointed if G35 don't come in DDR2 flavor. I refuse to blow my 4GB of DDR2 800 on a slight chipset revision. But then again, to me upgrading has lost its aura. It used to be fun witnessing speed increasing, but it seems of the late increase are getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
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  • IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    Warcraft III can be played with the earlier IGP with 1600x1200 full. I reach frame rate limits of 60 fps with my E6600+G965 combo as it fluctuates between 59-60. G35 is supposed to be coming in October, it doesn't seem like its coming soon looking at the lack of news updates.

    Old strategy game playability is not impressive when it wasn't the most demanding one back 3-4 years ago, even on an IGP. Playbility on the later games like BF2/Supreme Commander is impressive. We'll see how much better G35 is over G965.
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - link

    G35 has been pushed out several times already, just like X38. Currently it's scheduled for release in October. (Originally, it was supposed to be out a lot closer to the P35 launch.) Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    As of today, X38 has been moved to October 11th. G35 will probably go to November and to top it off, the DX10 capable drivers will be sometime next year. Reply
  • Nickel020 - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Does this mean you can't publish full reviews as planned on the 24th? Reply
  • Gary Key - Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - link

    Working with Intel on that question right now..... Reply

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