Intel P965: The Double Mint Twins Gone Wild

by Gary Key on 11/9/2006 8:00 PM EST
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  • Zak - Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - link

    Yeah, WTF with the software design? Did they hire someone fired from FisherPrice or what? It's ugly and dysfunctional, even Asus AI Booster isn't THIS ugly.

    <Z>
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  • mindless1 - Monday, November 13, 2006 - link

    Regarding the article comment about the floppy connector,
    "We would just as well have this connector disappear at this time."
    you might want to clarify who "we" is, since there are plenty of people who want a floppy connector even if they don't have a constant use for a floppy drive.

    Remember that one person's use of a system does not equal entire world. Many legacy apps and even some emergency bios recovery routines require a floppy drive. If this were a reduced form factor board, it stands to reason that more features requiring connectors need to be left out, but to give up functionality on a whim is hardly useful, it's not as though you would have to grand replacement feature on that bottom edge, cubic inch of space otherwise.
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  • Larso - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Oh my, do those motherboard monitoring/tuning applications look ugly... Ugly as in grotesque swollen blobs rather than functional design.

    A shame, I really liked the biostar board until the accompanying software utility appeared before for my eyes, aww... The gigabyte software is not pretty either... Can you switch the GUI to something less graphical and more standard windows widgets -like?

    Do all software accompanying motherboards look like this??
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  • Avalon - Saturday, November 11, 2006 - link

    You mean you actually use software to overclock? Do it the manly way and use the BIOS. Reply
  • Larso - Saturday, November 11, 2006 - link

    Its not about overclocking, the problem is if the motherboard software has some specific monitoring/adjusting features not available in freeware monitoring applications. Then you would have to use that monstrous software if you want the feature.

    Another problem is quality impression of the product as a whole. That software's user interface simply turns me off. Why don't they make the interface look like PRO tools, instead of plastic hell!
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  • bullfrawg - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    I think it's great that, as mentioned in the first article, you are checking out the manufacturer's tech support by pretending to be regular joes rather than review sites. So I want to express interest in seeing more detail about how tech support treats you. ASUS seems to have gotten a bad reputation lately for tech support -- is this justified in your experience? I see that you say Gigabyte has been good so far. Thanks! Reply
  • Staples - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    The 965 performs very well no matter what board it is on. I will be waiting till you get a 650i Ultra board to review. I am holding out on a Core Duo and my next purchase will be between these two chipsets. Reply
  • Kensei - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Nice old school reference back to the double-mint twins. You definitely dated yourself with that one Gary.

    Kensei
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  • Hikari - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Not really, I saw a double mint advertisement on TV with twins the other day... Reply
  • Kensei - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Really! I didn't know they had done a remake of that commercial.

    Ken
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  • Marlin1975 - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    The biggest problem I, and seems like most, have with 965 chipsets is the JMicron JMB363 IDE. You said there is a driver problem for the newwest driver but did not say what driver that is? Like 13.03, 15, etc... I think I have a new driver then someone in the forums has one that is 2 whole numbers newwer.

    I have a hard time trying to find a decent driver so I just get what I can for the JMicron JMB363. My DVD burner just comes up in windows as a reg. drive and I can;t get windows to see that it is a burner. Mind you Nero sees it as a burner. So I am guessing that is a JMicron JMB363.

    I like my Gigabyte board, better then the Asus I had. But the lack of IDE support by Intel makes me want to get a Nvidia 600i board even more.
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  • jackylman - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    The Biostar 965PT (and, I assume, the Deluxe) includes a VIA VT6401 IDE controller instead of the Jmicron. I had no problems seeing the controller in the BIOS or getting my optical drive to run in DMA.

    Just another reason that this board rules.
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  • Viditor - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    The biggest problem I have encountered seems like a small one, but it's getting annoying.
    It seems that none of the 965 boards allow for 2 x PATA connectors...I don't know for sure, but I assume this is a limitation of the chipset.
    The problem I keep running into is the reuse of existing components for an upgrade. Obviously you need one of the PATAs for the optical drives, which means that unless you get a PATA controller card you can't reuse your existing PATA drives...
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  • Sho - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    The P965 chipset doesn't have any PATA support by itself, so the mobo makers need to include a seperate controller. Reply
  • BladeVenom - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    Nice to see the less expensive models getting a thorough review. Everyone reviews the Biostar Deluxe, even though it's almost impossible to find, unless you're a reviewer.

    Also nice to see that model of Crucial RAM used. Next time you do a budget review could you also test the cheapest memory available, and 1:1 ratio for overclocking be damned.

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  • Gary Key - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    quote:

    Also nice to see that model of Crucial RAM used. Next time you do a budget review could you also test the cheapest memory available, and 1:1 ratio for overclocking be damned.


    We are still testing lower priced memory. I will add some addtional overclocking results to these two boards tomorrow. :)
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  • BladeVenom - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Thanks. Reply
  • DaveLessnau - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    I might have missed the reason for this in the write-ups. If so, I apologize. But, why aren't you reviewing any Intel boards? I'd have thought that they'd provide a decent baseline for comparison to see if the other manufacturers can do any better/different. Reply
  • Gary Key - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    The Intel board we originally received has been pulled from retail availability. We have a BLKDP965LTCK coming next week to take its place. I believe this board currently retails for $110~$115. I will do my best to at least get performance numbers from this board in our charts before the final article goes up. Reply
  • Sho - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    ... where's that high-end board roundup hiding? IIRC an Anandtech staffer had announced it for last Friday in a comment to another article about two weeks back. Reply
  • Gary Key - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    It is coming. We had to retest all of the high-end boards with CrossFire capability since the official 6.10 drivers we used generated measurable differences (sometimes better than 7%) in several games compared to the early beta 6.10 drivers. We did not see this issue with our single card testing. Reply
  • Sho - Thursday, November 09, 2006 - link

    Ah, ok :). Rock on. Reply
  • JarredWalton - Friday, November 10, 2006 - link

    Gary also neglected to tell you about his latest hard drive "testing", in the which he lost many of his in-the-work articles. I keep telling him that he shouldn't stress test his own hardware, but does he listen? Noooo! I really ought to run RAID 1 or start do more frequent backups, come to think of it.... Reply

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