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  • pmcguire - Thursday, September 21, 2006 - link

    Anyone tried the XFX card in a Zalman HD160 case?
    I have ordered one but now I am getting nervous that the heatsink is too high.

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  • zemane - Saturday, September 16, 2006 - link


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    Today also marks the day that ATI slated for the availability of their X1300 XT, X1650 Pro, X1900 XT 256MB, and X1950 series. We currently see very limited availability of the X1950 XTX, X1900 XT 256MB and X1300 XT cards, ...


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  • marine73 - Friday, September 15, 2006 - link

    With some versions of the 7900GT costing $280, you'd have to be nuts not to spend the xtra $20 bucks to get the additional 256Mb of ram. The performance increase is obvious from the charts, and since most Nvidia cores do OC fairly well (my BFG is running 580/800) you could most likely get the 7950GT to peform like a 7900GTX, for about 150-200 bucks less. Now if only they can get them to be DirectX 10 compliant... Reply
  • Pastuch - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    In Canada you can buy an ATI/Saphire X1900xt 512mb for $299. A 7950GT goes for $350. These prices are pulled from this weeks flyer at NCIX.com, the Canadian Newegg.

    As always, Nvidia screws over Canadian customers.
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  • yyrkoon - Monday, September 18, 2006 - link

    Gee, lets see, I wonder if buying a graphics card that is currently based in my home country is cheaper than one that has to be imported . . .

    Wait until ATI moves to the US . . .
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  • Pastuch - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    THe lowest price I can find in Canada on a 7900GT is $290.

    ROFL at Nvidia.

    P.S. I actually would rather buy Nvidia but the prices up here are so out of whack I can't justify it.
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  • coldpower27 - Friday, September 15, 2006 - link

    Yeh, Nvidia currently is expensive in Canada, until prices normalize the X1900 XT 512 is a pretty good deal, as long as it remains in supply. Reply
  • xsilver - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    funny,
    down here in australia - its the other way around
    nvidia is cheaper
    7900gt = 374au ($280US approx
    x1900xt = 410AU (308US approx)

    ati is still the better buy because its faster.
    it actually gets worse in the lower price bracket of x1900gt as they are quite hard to find and really expensive
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  • xsilver - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    oh wait - just looked again
    that x1900xt is the 256mb model
    if u want the 512mb model
    = 525au (395US)

    7950gt 512mb = $430au = 325us

    big difference!
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  • splines - Friday, September 15, 2006 - link

    Same with all electronics, pretty much. Everything from mobile phones up to the AUD$1000 PS3 - and Americans complain about $600?

    The really odd thing is we have the second highest standard of living in the world, yet our currency is also one of the most undervalued amongst western industrialised nations. Granted, our market is small, but 20-odd million people still have a lot of purchasing power.

    *sighs* Maybe one day they'll take us seriously.
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  • Genx87 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    In this price category it is hard to justify Nvidia here. Nvidia's pressure from the top with the GX2 has pushed ATI's 2nd best card into this price range. The X1900XT is faster and better compared to this card IMO. It needs to be dropped to the 280-300 range and let it settle in around the 250 if it wants to compete with the X1900XT.

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  • ieskorp - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    What is the added value of a review/test when you are comparing Nvidia SLI configurations with single ATI 19k cards???? Reply
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    We've looked at the CF performance in the recent past, and nothing has changed. You'll notice in the conclusion that we really don't recommend getting two new current gen GPUs regardless of manufacturer. If you look at the X1950 XTX article, you can see where CrossFire sits in the performance ladder. Basically, it's competitive with SLI, though most will agree the SLI bridge is far more elegant than the CF dongle. Basically, the graphs were already crowded, and adding more cards/configurations just gets really messy. We included SLI numbers for the new cards mostly to show where they fall, i.e. 7900 GS SLI about equals 7900 GTX, while 7950 GT SLI is slightly faster than 7950 GX2.

    Quick summary of CF vs. SLI:
    ATI "owns" Quake 4 now, along with Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. NVIDIA still clearly leads in Black and White 2. Performance in most of our other tested titles is very close. Price performance is more difficult to call, as X1950 are in very limited availability with no CF cards currently showing up, and prices are thus quite inflated. You can get Quad SLI for the cost of X1950 CrossFire... and neither one support the DirectX 10 feature set.
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  • yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    Would really appreciate temperature testing of the XFX card idel and under full 3D load. Passively-cooled cards notoriously run hot so it would be nice to know ahead of time just how well it's cooled. Additional overclocking potential would also be nice to know. Reply
  • DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    we are working on a 7950 gt roundup that will address this and other issues Reply
  • yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    Great thanks.

    Looks like the traditional 10-15 degrees Celcius for passive cooling holds true by Guru3D's review:

    Card Temperature in idle (Celsius) Temperature at 100% load in (Celsius)
    GeForce 7950 GT 45 64
    XFX 7950 GT Extreme 64 81


    I can't fathom allowing a GPU to run at over 60-65C. That's REALLY hot. 81C is downright dangerous and life-sapping for sure.
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  • SniperWulf - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    It's pretty gratifying to see that the card I bought at the beginning of the year is still holding its own pretty good (X1900XT) Reply
  • DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    X1900 XT has been a good performer. It's also be a much better value than the X1900 XTX for its entire lifetime. Definitely a good purchasing decision. Reply
  • Tilmitt - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    You'd have to be stoned off your head to find 20FPS "a good experience" in any game. Unless you're a girl...they can't see lag or jaggies. Reply
  • VooDooAddict - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    I greatly disagree. Most casual girl gamers that I've had sit down and play a PC game are MORE distracted by and less tolerable of lag and low framerates then guys who game frequently. Those of us who play often know it's a fact of life and can tolerate it. New PC gamers (male and female) who may be more used to console systems are frustrated easily by the little things we putup with in the PC gaming world. Reply
  • Calin - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    Maybe they just ignore some visual artifacts if the playing experience is good. Reply
  • DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    winners don't use drugs :-P

    also, I'm not trying to imply that we would like more fps for free -- just that (with oblivion) turning up the settings offers better playability (things don't pop out of no where right next to you) and a better visual experience than a higher framerate with less eye candy.

    plus, my wife hates jaggies. jaggies and bad anisotropic filtering. I've not seen her react to lag, as she doesn't usually play games where lag is a factor. but she definitely hates waiting for anything, so I'd guess she'd hate lag too.
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  • LoneWolf15 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    Personally, I hope the Frag Dolls kick your butt for that remark. I'd pay money to see it. Reply
  • yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    PASSIVELY-COOLED top-tier GPU?! SWEET. Finally. :) Reply
  • goatfajitas - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    I would really like to see the 256mb version of 7950GT tested against the 512mb version (biostar makes both, but clocks are easy enough to adjust on any card) at various resolutions with and without 4xAA to see when/if the 512 megs helps speed things up. Reply
  • tuteja1986 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    7950GT availability is terrible.. its looks like a 7800GTX 512MB launch.. few card released on day and none to seen for weeks ?

    Surprising I see ATI not having a paper launch with the X1950XTX which is amazing if you see ATI track record with delays after delays

    At the moment i don't think its wise to buy them , as i hear G80 product start next month and early November launch.

    I also hear that R600 has run in some trouble and i don't think they will be out this year and will lag 3months behind G80 launch. I would say Mid Jan if they fix what ever problem the engineers are having at ATI.
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  • DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    a 256mb version should really be branded as an overclocked 7900 GT, but I won't argue that too much :-)

    we are planning on doing a roundup of 7950 Gt cards, and we will address this issue at that time.

    thanks,
    Derek Wilson
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  • goatfajitas - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    Thanks. I should have guessed something like that would be coming from AT. Reply
  • retrospooty - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    cool. thanks. Reply
  • R3MF - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link

    i wonder if its possible?

    that with a Core 2 Duo 6600 would be a hell of a SFF combination!
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