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  • Kaji - Monday, June 07, 2004 - link

    Cool! Finally a lot of the technologies I have been waiting for!

    Some disapointments though... how come all BTX boards only have one PCI-E x16 slot? that sucks!
    What about those groovy dual PCI-E graphics solutions that are already starting to appear?

    Another BTX related question... what about server boards? The excellent article on BTX covered the three desktop form factors... but will there be an Extended BTX form factor for dual CPU? I want to go with BTX, but only if I can have two PCI-E x16 slots... and two dual PCU would be nice!

    I wonder when Lian-Li will release BTX case?
  • rms - Sunday, June 06, 2004 - link

    "I was really looking forward to seeing the "extra" performance a user would get on a Nvidia board & card platform. "

    Could be wrong, but wasn't that advantage only present with the FX series of cards? And involved basically speeding up the effective AGP bus speed? If PCI-X is already 16X, you think any speedups would be miniscule.

  • Reflex - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    #12: No kidding. But I was referencing the fellow who seemed to think that it was all about performance. SATA is not really any 'faster' than IDE, however it is still an important step forward. PCI-E is similiar in that regard. Reply
  • tmhartsr - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    But - where is the 64 bit OS???? Reply
  • XRaider - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    Yea, but still it's a shame that these boards with PCI-E won't be out for another several months! :( It is depressing, but hopefully the 939 FX's will drop far in price by the time these boards are ready to ship mainstream. Hopefully.
    It still seems like they're draggin their feet on this stuff. :-\
  • Falco. - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    um.. pci express isn't just for graphics :-)

    its for every add in card that we presently put in pci slots :-) besides.. for all w know, a x16 pci express slot could do the same thing that going from agp 4x to 8x did.. not much in the performace dept, mainly with video cards being outfitted with 128 megs of ram, and what looks like 256 megs ... have u seen and NV4x and R4xx with 128 megs ?? i can't recall seeing any ....

  • Reflex - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    #6: PCI-E is not about performance, its about features. More can be done with the interface than can be done with the very limiting AGP. Realize that AGP itself is not really utilized for its performance at all, the 'bandwidth' it allows is nearly useless. Try turning your setting from 8X to 2X and notice the almost complete lack of a performance difference(2-5% approximatly).

    I, for one, and happy to be rid of the AGP interface. It was a troublesome hack that never lived up to its advertised potential. Bring on PCI-E.
  • Reflex - Saturday, June 05, 2004 - link

    test... Reply
  • Falco. - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    any thing on Asus and NF3 250 gb/ulta mobos ?? say the k8N-E Deluxe NF3 250 board from asus just with a 939 pin socket ????

    or something similar from asus ??
  • jrphoenix - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    #6... I am just hoping for a slot that won't be obsolete in 1-2 years (how long I want to wait before having to my a new motherboard).

    If Nvidia is that slow rolling PCI-E out I may just get a VIA chipset & ATI card. I was really looking forward to seeing the "extra" performance a user would get on a Nvidia board & card platform.
  • Wesley Fink - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    #1 -
    Based on what we now know we expect the new graphics integrated in 915 will be the best performing integrated graphics we have tested. We are told performance is roughly equivalent to 5200FX. That will not excite many of our readers, but it is still a fact that 60% of motherboard shipments are integrated graphics.
  • Cygni - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    Depressing is when you see the performance "gain" PCI-E 16x was supposed to offer in real life. Hint: Its not there. Reply
  • JGF - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    September at the earliest for A64 nvidia PCI-E is more than a little depressing. :( Reply
  • Bozo Galora - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link
    Speaking of 4 phase power...
    Is that 5 phase power on the shuttle board?
  • RyanVM - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    On page 3: "As we reported, PCI-X and AGP on the same 915 board is supposedly an impossible engineering feat."

  • jrphoenix - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    Good to see all the news on the Athlon 939 boards and PCI-Express. Does anyone have an idea when we will see these boards? It was kind of depressing hearing that Nvidia may not support this until Q3 or Q4 :(

    Heck... when will we see any socket 939 boards?
  • SDA - Friday, June 04, 2004 - link

    "A Sea of NEW"?

    Hm. Problem with an A64 with decently powerful integrated graphics is that the A64's so expensive that I don't see much of a need for it. .. ehm, but OEMs would like that, I'm sure. Save them money on cheapo add-in cards, for sure, and they could still advertise "64-bit power!"

    DDR2 and DDR1 on the same board, eh. What, is the yellow slot DDR2? What the hell? I thought the purpose of a key was to make it HARDER TO STICK THINGS IN THE WRONG WAY? It's practically in the fscking middle! Rrrrr. And I thought DDR1 was bad. Also, "Intel's excellent new integrated graphics"? Excellent must be a relative term.

    Also, Tyan now has nine Opteron boards. On one hand, that's an amusingly diverse selection.. on the other hand, it's great that there are so many choices there, and Tyan boards ARE quality.

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