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  • holymaniac - Monday, December 15, 2003 - link

    Does anyone know of any pen that does not hover or that you can adjust the hover so that it only works when touching the pad?
    I hate the hover feature on my wacom intuit2 tablet. It always seems like it is loose.
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  • DXM - Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - link

    #15, I suggest you look up the difference between "accuracy" (line placement) and "precision" (your dpi comparison). I'll give you a hint, they're not the same.

    But anyways, my question has been answered (thanks Doop) and I have no interest in continuing to hold a discussion with a man/boy who's only method of rebuttal is to insult and flame.
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  • pcpimp - Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - link

    17:

    >> it was about acuracy

    use the extra room you are given on the larger tablets. otherwise it's a handicapped test. look at the friggin test images! they are different sizes

    >>It also seems that the only time the author >>mentions using a mouse to do any photoshop work is

    nope, read it, especially for the aiptek. it seems she 'only' tries the mouse before giving up? wtf?

    >>would not understand that "multiple trips to the >>history menu" means going to the little bar that >>says history and undoing things.

    My point was, any normal person would use alt-z, and probably not even have palettes on especially for this operation. Why is a photoshop newbie reviewing a graphics tablet? Does my grandma test drive race cars?

    >>>And even simpler than hitting E is flipping over your pen

    laughing my ass off. you just lost your cursor position and it is slower. speed matters when you have work to do. you switch to every other tool using keyboard in photoshop.

    >>The aiptek and the wacom cost EXACTLY the same price

    really laughing now. the 8x6 aiptek is 1/2 the 8x6 graphire. who didn't read?

    >>And for the final blow, you call the author a he even though Laura is a female name

    I dont care what she is why is why are photoshop newbs doing anandtech tablet reviews?






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  • bobolicious - Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - link

    #15/16

    I think you're the idot here man ... you might have read the article before making yourself look like an ass.

    First off, the trace test wasn't about DPI, it was about acuracy. From the test, any one can see that the wacom draws draws lines on the screen that are more acurate to the lines drawn on the pad. I also think using a fixed sized image for tracing gives a very good indication of how different sized tablets map to real world mechanics: moving a short distance on a small tablet covers the same area as moving a long distance on a large one. I think the images make it easier to really grok what that means.

    It also seems that the only time the author mentions using a mouse to do any photoshop work is when the Aiptek 8000 tablet fails to be able to do the simple task of cutting and pasting a couple images. Obviously the tests done on these tablets were to test the functionality of the pen, and the reason for talking about the mice included with the tablets was to indicate that they could or do not do exactly the same thing as a normal ps/2 mouse (to which the answer is an astounding 'no' for the aiptek 8000u tablet). Even you admit to not using the tablets supplied mouse.

    I don't understand how anyone who's ever touched photoshop would not understand that "multiple trips to the history menu" means going to the little bar that says history and undoing things. And even simpler than hitting E is flipping over your pen and using it like an pencil eraser (which the aiptek cannot do). The fewer the keyboard shortcuts and on screen buttons I need to press, the more productive I'll be in any application.

    And for the clencher of your retardation, may I submit this for your approval:

    "I dont think anyone thinks an aiptek is technically superior to a wacom just like a duron compared to a p4ee but for a value buyers guide I expect a lot better discussion!"

    Ummm ... its a value buyers guide -> The aiptek and the wacom cost EXACTLY the same price -> The review shows that you can have a "technically superior" tablet (your words AND what the review implies) instead of a pile of dog excrement. I think that in that sense, you couldn't get a better review: even the defensive aiptek fanboi (how embarrassing is it to be /that guy/) is admitting his product is inferior to a product that costs exactly the same ammount of money. While still saying the review is bad. Beautiful.

    And for the final blow, you call the author a he even though Laura is a female name in every culture I know.

    Try reading before you stick your foot in your mouth next time.
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  • pcpimp - Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - link

    in all seriousness...since drawing on screen without looking on your hand takes a decent amount of time to get used to, although still you should show an on screen trace test as well, maybe after a few runs with each tablet to get used to it, for the physical trace test at least make proper sized printouts of your sheet (that corresponds to the active area of each pad). you need to take in consideration the larger sizes of the tablets which mean your hand doesnt have to be held as precise all the time. and on your trace test, as in your other test, it seems like you are testing the mouse more than the stylus. wtf! the mouse is just there when you arent using gfx apps.


    finally, I seriously am shaking my head at the photoshop page. I have no idea why you are even using the mice on any tablet at all in this test. you use stylus (And keyboard with your other hand) in photoshop period. there are so many things here that make no sense to a photoshop user, like "multiple trips to the history menu"
    and "Wacom's Graphire3 didn't even require using the eraser tool from the side bar" (tried pressing E? it's a lot faster!) I see no mention of what monitor size you have. the larger monitor you have you want a larger pad or it feels really wierd.

    anyway nice idea anandtech I think tablets are must have for serious photoshop users, they save a ton of time. however, next time get a reviewer with some experience with the topic. I dont think anyone thinks an aiptek is technically superior to a wacom just like a duron compared to a p4ee but for a value buyers guide I expect a lot better discussion! by the way, aiptek doesnt work well on linux at the moment, I Think wacoms are better supported in Xfree86. If you like to run photoshop under linux or something :)
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  • pcpimp - Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - link

    13, you are an idiot. did you notice the images were different sizes? duh! of course the smallest tablet is going to have the highest dpi. that test only works when the tablets are the same size you dolt! on different sized pads, trace the image on screen, in a second layer in photoshop! duh! but reading the laughable photoshop adventures of the reviewer I doubt he would even be able to figure that out! Reply
  • Doop - Monday, December 08, 2003 - link

    I think the Intuos 2 has twice the resolution and twice the pressure sensitivity... Reply
  • DXM - Monday, December 08, 2003 - link

    The Wacom Graphire3 looks pretty good according to the review. Does anyone know what the absolute differences between the Intuos2 and Graphire3?

    #12, get a clue. The reviewer traced a drawing for a reproducible image so you could compare the accuracy of the tablets.
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  • pcpimp - Monday, December 08, 2003 - link

    by the way, do I need to mention how silly it is to do a fixed size tracing test on different sized tablets? hello! try doing ON SCREEN drawing like you would if you were DRAWING.

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  • pcpimp - Monday, December 08, 2003 - link

    Uh, this so called 'artist' reviewer needs a clue...if I'm coughing up money for a wacom I'd better see a lot better review than this....I've had a hyperpen 8000 for over two years (was $99 at the time as well) and I clean up my scans and color them in photoshop and it works great...can not STAND using mice in photoshop again...you know you work zoomed in on that stuff (no need to strain your eyes looking for single pixels) and you move fast as hell so if you're talking hairline resolution differences who cares...pressure sensitivity is a different matter although again, the aiptek works ok for me there. btw on my second AAA battery for the stylus, and dont use the mouse, I just plop my ball ps/2 mouse on top of it when not doing gfx stuff and works fine. Reply
  • AMD4ME2 - Sunday, December 07, 2003 - link

    cool.. I've wanted one for a long time... continue to explore this avenue.. I would like to see just how good the top of the line tablets all.... Oh and .. what kind of drugs were taken during the testing of these tablets.. cause that creature is "Jacked-Up Like a Soup Sandwich" Reply
  • Adul - Sunday, December 07, 2003 - link

    You are close Virge ;) well it is soon-to-be Reply
  • clevere1 - Sunday, December 07, 2003 - link

    You can also use tablets as a mouse replacement. I use the Intuos (I think it's the older brother of the Intuos2) for everything I do on the computer, except for 3D games like Quake and such. Reply
  • ivwshane - Sunday, December 07, 2003 - link

    I do really hope for a mid level tablet review. I'm considering getting a tablet for casual use and to expand my artistic skills. After talking to an artist friend I got impression that any tablet will do but after this article it appears not to be the case. I would really like to have an accurate drawing tool but I don't know if it's worth the price difference to go with the intuos2 over the graphire3.

    Tablets have been around for a while and it's about time someone did a round up:D
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  • Redviffer - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    Wow, I didn't know Anand knew all those cool people. :)

    I think that at the prices (sub-$150), they are still a little pricey "just to have", that is unless you can really put this to good use. I know I'd actually like to get one, as I can see my kids really having a blast with drawings. I'll keep an eye out, as with all things, the prices will drop. Thanks for the article.
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  • AgaBooga - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    Same as #4 Reply
  • ViRGE - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    Sorry to go off-topic, but I noticed the new author(Laura Wilson). I take it she's Derek's wife? Reply
  • Doop - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    I just bought a Wacom Intuos 2 (model up from graphire) as a Chrismas present for my graphic designing girlfriend, who currently draws then scans in line drawing then touches them up with a mouse in photoshop.

    I was a little worried that the pen wouldn't be accurate or sensitive enough for her to use comfortably, basically that it wouldn't live up to the hype.

    If the Graphire is that good (thanks for the review) then the Intuos 2 I bought should be totally sweet. She'll be so happy there'll be no picky remarks about my heavy drinking over the yule tide period. Nice.
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  • AgaBooga - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    Gaming isn't something tablets are designed for. I have one at home and they're really light, easy to draw on, and are very portable with long battery life. Those are the main selling points of a tablet IMO on top of the ability to write on them Reply
  • Shalmanese - Saturday, December 06, 2003 - link

    Did you try gaming with the tablet?

    I don't know about 3d games but I imagine games like C&C might benifit enourmously from tablet use.
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