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  • Sengir - Thursday, April 22, 2004 - link

    They need to rework their Quality Control policies.. and pay more to their workers.

    As I stated in a different article.

    I am a Service Technician with a large electronics retailer on the West coast.
    ECS is our #1 returned motherboard/computer (Great Quality brand).

    If you plan on buying or building a computer system, stay away from ECS and Great Quality.
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  • davemc759 - Sunday, March 21, 2004 - link

    To compare and contrast you may wish to look at

    http://www.legitreviews.com/Reviews/corsair_trip_1...

    Being a lifer in the electronics manufacturing industry in the US, stories like these really bring home just how volatile the work situation really is. If the mainstay of economic stability is gauged by productivity, it would appear China has more working in it's favor than simply cheap labor.
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  • Rumpltzer - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - link

    NM Reply
  • Anonymous User - Friday, October 24, 2003 - link

    The people who say ECS make crap Boards should read more carefully. ECS makes also mbs for Shuttle and Abit! Reply
  • Anonymous User - Thursday, October 09, 2003 - link

    Interesting article. I use an ECS board in my
    system 'cause by American standards I'm poor.
    It works fine and the slight bugs that seem to be
    there are most likely software related....
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  • Anonymous User - Thursday, October 09, 2003 - link

    Love the article, very insightful. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Thursday, October 09, 2003 - link

    Free room and board. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - link

    I have three ECS board based machines (including one dual PIII) and one PC-Chips board machine. They are running well. I am doing a lot of IT development and run some server apps on them. Seems to me they are even better than the equivalent HP PCs at work. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - link

    Every country has its way to develop , China has it too. and China is on its way now. China will become stronger and stronger, look back american , you can see there are so many chinese in your university, they are working hard too. china become strong is not just because of cheap labour. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Monday, October 06, 2003 - link

    I'd really enjoy this story and all of the valuable information from this auther. I do further believe that all American should work harder or appeciate the shear fact that we live in a very VERY good enviroment. I appeciate life more when I do see what are the living condition and (average) standard of living is so much different in China/India or even the very mondernized Taiwan.

    I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT!! Thank you!!
    J.S.
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  • Anonymous User - Monday, October 06, 2003 - link

    "Quote # 19" Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    #17-Most people RMA products because they are ignorant fools who should be buying Dells. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    Is it a misprint, or do 50% of the originally manufactured bare motherboards fail QA? If that's true, you think they could figure out what the single biggest problem there is, fix it, and drop the fail rate to 20% or something. Yeesh. This article makes it seem like a miracle that their motherboards even work at all.

    I was going to mention how terrible a job sticking SIMM/DIMM connectors onto motherboards, all day, every day, for $150 a month would be, but then I thought there are a lot worse ways these women could be forced to make money.
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  • AgaBooga - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    Any response to #7? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    #9 you ignorant slut...

    since it is impossible to get the truth about employment practices, manufacturing practices (although the article alludes to how others around ECS are polluting)or just about anything else in china your statements just show you to be an apologist for a corrupt and tyrannical system...

    i can guarantee that there are no 'lazy' workers over there, a mistake or two on the line and you go back to the rice paddy and another slave takes your place - one hell of a motivator...
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  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    Nice article although ECS and it's affiliates still produce some of the worst motherboards I have ever used. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    A very interesting article.What is surprising is that it is not more mechanized and that there is so much (wo)manual labor involved!As far as the cost of labor is concerned.It may be likely that $150 is considered a good wage in China Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    A very great article, I knew that ECS was a large company. But not that large and I did´nt know that they have had Matsonic and PC Chips.

    The article could have been much more with their mainboards and Notebooks Espacially about the QA, and production technics.

    #6 ECS Produce ALOT of mainboards it is somewhat impossible to garantee a mainboard that is not defetive, or an entire shipment.

    Here they article could give us some insight on what happens with RMA mainboards at ECS, this would defently provide some insight what a mainboard manufactor do with these mainboards.

    #11, I agree with you.

    #9, to the part of the postoffice, I can only say this. In the US the law require that a Coperate Employer also hire Minority Groups in giving %.
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  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    #6, you're an idiot, stop posting. Reply
  • DAVIDS - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    #9, I think you're making a lot of over-generalizations about American workers. Lazy people can be found in every country. There are a lot of American workaholics who spend 50-60 hours/week on the job. Also, you seem to forget that many of the technological innovations found in computers were made by researchers here in the US. The microprocessor, random access memory, etc. are all American inventions.
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  • Shalmanese - Sunday, October 05, 2003 - link

    "In any case, the factory itself does seem extremely considering all of the manual labor around. "

    seem extremely what?
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    I am using an ECS board AMD XP 2400 CPU. Works well (no problem with Windows 98, XP, or Linux). Cheap too ~$67. I built another for mom and it works great too. ECS provides computer motherboards that are affordable and work great (very stable) and that's what most families of the world want/need.

    It's good to put people to work by buying ECS. Or else, they would starve because companies will move elsewhere (e.g., India) where labor is cheaper to cut costs (that's why motherboard factories moved from Taiwan to China in the first place).

    It may not be perfect wages compared to the U.S. but I'm sure the workers over there appreciate it and the nice clean factories. Living costs are lower too over there.

    In the U.S., workers complain too much and half ass too much that's why all companies are shipping the jobs overseas where people work harder, better, and complain less. Sucks for U.S. workers but tough luck for there laziness. Look at Ford and all american cars (sucks bigtime--100% breakdown within 1 year). I know none of you computer users would ever want americans to build motherboards or else all computers would breakdown in a few months and still cost a lot. And every year workers would play the stupid Strike game delaying products. No, no consumers wants lazy, clumsy, greedy game playing americans workers messing with our computer parts.

    I would do the same (hire hardworking overseas workers) if I ran a corporation. Why pay premium wages to lazy half ass workers who complain all the time and threaten lawsuits and call in sick every month so they can watch a ball game and file fake workers comp claims which is typical of american workers?

    BTW, I went to a post office where there were 4 asian clerk and 1 american clerk. The asian workers were polite and very very efficient and competant easily servicing 1 client a minute (max). The lazy, incompetant american worker took 10 minute per client and kept needing to ask questions from the supervisor. I think that anyone running a business if they saw this difference in work efficiency/competancy would only hire asians since they are most efficent and competant and result in best business profits (for shareholders) and lowest costs and best products for consumers.

    I know lazy americans might get angry but if you think rationally, you know I am right and that's what most businessmen think.
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    Nice! I've always wondered where that crappy motherboard in my Grandma's eMachine came from. Reply
  • AgaBooga - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    Its good to see the QA put into their parts, I wonder if any other motherboard vendors will read this article and improve if they aren't as good as ECS in terms of testing. If their parts go through this much testing, then why do people sometimes have to RMA a board like this? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    Forgot to tell about PC Chips history with fake cache on motherboards back in the 486-days...

    ECS is one of the companies that pay as little as they can to the workers.

    Some of their series really have a RMA-problems... but they are cheap. The manufacture a lot for others -- some are good, others are typical ECS-quality.

    Seems to me like a big "Thank you for the trip"-article....
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    After the fake cache scandal pc chips was involved with in the earily pentium motherboard days, i'd swore to never touch any of their products again. Be it ecs, amptron, alton, houston tech, etc etc etc.

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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    "I emailed Anand if we could get polo shirts with that motto on it, but I did not get a response."

    Anyone who appreciates irony has to be in hysterics over this line.
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    if ECS went public 10 yrs after creation, why is it 1994 and not 1997 in the first paragraph? Reply
  • DAVIDS - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    Very informative article. It's amazing that many of the workers get only $150/month. I sure hope their room and board is included.
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 04, 2003 - link

    This is a great article that provides information that i cant find everywhere else.

    Good job Kristopher!

    I never would have imagined that the bulk of the ECS workforce were women.
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