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  • Kai920 - Friday, January 02, 2004 - link

    #42 - Yes Reply
  • ether108 - Monday, December 22, 2003 - link

    can anyone tell me if i can cram a ati 9800 all in wonder into this box? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Monday, October 20, 2003 - link

    Just got confirmation from Shuttle tech support that the SB65G2 does not support SATA RAID 0. Shuttle tech support tells me it uses ICH5 while the dealer here in the UK says it used ICH5R but they both agree RAID is not supported. Quite disappointed since I was hoping to get wireless and RAID all on one motherboard. The SB65G2 is availabe in the UK at www.gemma.co.uk from Oct 24th.

    Any experience on exactly *how* quiet these little boxes are? Quiet enough for a living room?
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - link

    So I assume that one would be the "OEM" CPU instead of the retail CPU for a Shuttle box, right? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - link

    Um, never mind. Should've checked the web site first. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - link

    Don't tease us! What are the specs?? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - link

    Wait for the SB75G2. Thats the shuttle you really want :) Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    I've been to the US Shuttle and international sites today (9/24) and there is NOTHING on the SB65G2, or any SB65X2 or SB61X2. The SB61G2 is the box I can find in the Pacific Northwest, along with some of the earlier Athlon and P478 versions. IS THIS THING REALLY FOR SALE? Reply
  • Arlo - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    So when is this suppose to be release? Reply
  • jbratton - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - link

    My advice a a Shuttle Customer... DO NOT RISK IT !
    There are lots of other vendors with integrity out there. The jokers I've delt with at Shuttle in the US void any warranty they claim ! Im my experience with them I can count on an unneeded flashing bios.. If thats the problem.. than your ok.. ortherwize.. you're on your own.. after a couple of attempts..forget it.. your warrantys expired !! - A Joke they play on us !
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  • Anonymous User - Sunday, September 14, 2003 - link

    Awesome little box. Built an SB61 last year, stuck a Ti4200 in it and it is magic - yet is quiet as a mouse.

    Whatever version of the SB62 is available at the end of this year will be my next PC purchase.

    And you have to wonder what those who report heat problems are DOING with their boxes - I live in an un-airconditioned tropical location that regularly gets above 35C - and my Shuttle just keeps on keeping on.
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  • Anonymous User - Saturday, September 13, 2003 - link

    anyone have one of these aluminum machines from shuttle? I've been trying to find a cd drive that matches the finish before I buy the system. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, September 13, 2003 - link

    I was curious about USB FDD in order to avoid putting a FDD In one of these and and according to the SB61G2 manual off of Shuttle's web site there is BIOS support for booting to USB FDD and USB CD/DVD. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Friday, September 12, 2003 - link

    It's amazing what they can put inside that small box. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Friday, September 12, 2003 - link

    Looks excellent for the price ! Reply
  • Anonymous User - Thursday, September 11, 2003 - link

    Where is the gigabit NiC??? and firewire 800 even!!! Reply
  • Anonymous User - Thursday, September 11, 2003 - link

    #20 and #25
    My apoligies.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    #25
    The difference between the SB61G1 and the SB62G2 are the following:
    SB61G2- silver, firewire, SATAx2 (non RAID), AC '97 Realtek AL650 6 channel Codec, 200w Power Supply, usb, integrated Intel Extreme Graphics -865G chipset, 800mhz, spdif in/out, bugs with ATi Radeon 9500&9700s (until recent revision that fixed the capacitators that were the culprits), extra crackling noises in front Headphone jack due to some sort of interference.

    SB62G2- BLACK, MESHED, NO FIREWIRE, SATAx2 RAID (ICH5-R), 220W POWER SUPPLY, DUAL 10/100 LAN, FIXES to ATi Radeon issues and supposedly the sound problems too, USB, Intel Extreme Graphics 865G chipset, 800mhz FSB, SPDIF in/out, same Realtek AL650 6 Channel AC '97 Codec.

    yes, the PDF spec sheet is off, it was actually posted the last week of August, while the product page on the Shuttle HQ and US websites have been changed twice since then to reflect the 220W PS and some other typos. So until offical release, its specualation.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    To #23...wow, that's kind of harsh.

    Actually, the info is from the shuttle site. See http://us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=380 and http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/specs_b... Each page also has a PDF with detailed specs as well. No spdif is listed. Unlike these pages, the spec pages for the 61G2 specifically list the spdif. (According to the site, the 52G2 has a spdif.)

    Of course, you may have a 61G2 right in front of you with a spdif, in which case the online info is wrong (wouldn't be the first time). It also seems the 62G2 doesn't have a 1394 port.

    Still, no reason to abandon courtesy! Perhaps you'll share with us common folk what you see as the difference between the 61G2 and the 62G2?

    (Disclaimer: Lest anyone think that what I post is "fact," please note that everything I say is "as far as I know." Believed accurate, but not guaranteed.)
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Nice big pictures at http://www.shuttle.com/de/druck_sb65.htm. It's in German, only Shuttle site that has info so far. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    to #20, I don't know what information you've been gathering but you're definitly wrong. The SB62G2 does have SPDIF In/Out (check out shuttles website- www.shuttle.com/hq) and the older SB52G2, which was the prior model had it also. So try informing yourself before you post comments as fact. Reply
  • Rekonn - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    to #21

    No, that is a separate issue. Shuttle has been selling fixed versions of the SB61G2 for weeks now, and will honor an RMA for those that do have that problem with the 9500/9700 series.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Audio (#5 and #6)

    Is this the problem you two were experiencing?

    "Evidently, there is currently an issue involving any SB61G2 which is used with an ATI Radeon 9500/9700 series graphics card. Here, the issue leads to poor audio performance including cutting and crackling within applications. The media and public have been informed that Shuttle is well aware of this issue and a timely solution is on the horizon."

    http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDg3LDQ=
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Note that, as far as I can tell, the sb62g2 does not have spdif. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Can I use external CD-ROM and install hard disk rack in the open 5 inch bay on XPC?

    I would like to have the option of swapping different hard disks and use Windows or Linux at different times. So I want to install Lian-Li hard disk rack in the only open 5 inch bay and swap in hard disk for Windows or Linux. The CD-ROM has to be external through USB2 or Firewire.
    When I first install OS, can XPC boot up and recognize USB2 connected CD-ROM and start to install Windows or Linux from CD?
    Of cause I can always install a floppy drive in the open 3 inch bay and start the installation process from floppy disks. But I have so much trouble with floppy drives that I want to skip floppy drive altogether. Is my configuration possible?
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    what about meshed side panels found on the SB62G2 and the SB52G2?

    Also are the C-Media Chips better than the Realtek 6 channel chips on the previous models and the SB62G2?
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Prescott support? Any info as to whether the prescott chips will work in this new Shuttle? Reply
  • spikemike - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Is there much performance differences with a 865G chipset and the 865PE chipset? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    The final SB65G2 will have a number of changes over this early sample, including:

    220W PSU
    Black anodized chassis
    integrated 802.11b
    Cleaner analog output on the front jacks
    MSRP of around $350

    It should be available in late September
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  • CitizenKain - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    At some point, I want to replace my beefy Antec 1000 series case with one of these. I hope they release a one based on a NForce chipset, but with all the new bells ans whistles like SATA.


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  • Chriz - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    I am curious about the LAN port. On the SB61G2 it was only 10/100. Does the SB65G2 use the Intel CSA bus and do the gigabit lan? Reply
  • Wesley Fink - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    #10 -
    Please see my "searching for the Memory Holy Grail - Part 2" here. All our testing in that review was with a 2.4C, and we make recommendations for buying in the conclusion. This is continued in the Mushkin/Adata memory review.

    #7, #11 - The SB61G2 and black SB62G2 are released and available with on-board graphics and an AGP 8X slot. I understand the SB65G2 is to be reased within the next week.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    You should get 3200 speed memory I think.


    Does anyone know of a good distributor for these at competitive pricing? The distributors I find on google are really sketchy and I don't trust the packaging or descriptions.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    If I want to throw in a P4 2.4C and overclock it, what memory speed should I get? How do you know if you should get PC3200, 3500, 3700, etc.?

    (regarding the audio noise, that's a bit disappointing...)
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    I have an SN41G2 and I've already replaced the two fans in the system (PSU and ICE).

    The PSU fan develops a very high pitch noise that will drive you crazy. Replacing it is very easy, just kind of hard to find a 40x40x10mm fan (look for evercool). And of course it voids the warrenty on the PSU only, but not the Shuttle as a whole.
    I replaced the ICE fan with a Vantec Stealth as they are much more quiet than the supplied fan.
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  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    I mean on Shuttle´s homepage of course :o) Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Hi...im trying to get some info about the SB65G2,but cant find anything,just SB62G2...? plz help :) Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Good question, Rekonn and you're correct. I have the same system as the one in the review and it does indeed suffer from noise issues through the onboard sound. I stuck an audigy in it (as most anandtech readers would) and it works fine. Unless you feel like soldering though you can't hook up the front panel to the sound card.

    I still love the system though.
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  • Rekonn - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Did you get a chance to test out the front headphone jack? I'd love to get just a subjective impression when listening to some mp3's using a pair of headphones. (On the sb61g2 the noise from the front headphone jack is bad.) Reply
  • jarsoffart - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    On the Noise Level page, you state 1 MB of DDR400, I think you mean 1 GB. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Is there any information about the version of the motherboard used in this review?

    My SB61 motherboard actually reads:
    - SB61/SB65
    - Version 2.1

    ...so I`m curious.

    Take it easy,
    James
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  • Wesley Fink - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Shuttle has just updated the SB65G2 and now includes the ICH5R Southbridge with SATA RAID and a slightly larger 220W Power Supply. Since this is an early sample for review, it is likely the SB65G2s you will find for sale will include these updated components. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - link

    Shuttles sff boxes are sooooooo tempting to me. The lac of PAT is generally not THAT big of an issue as pretty much all modern games these days are video card limited and older games while maybe more cpu sensitive are typically running blindingly fast anyway.

    Alas the shuttle box I want would have a topline cpu, a topline radeon (9800Pro or higher), a gig of ram, an audigy2, a cd burner and (here's the killer) a pair of raided 10K sata drives. I am just waaaaaay to uneasy about throwing all that into a little sff box with a teeny 200w power supply. :(
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