Haswell isn't expected to launch until the beginning of June in desktops and quad-core notebooks, but Intel is beginning to talk performance. Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 with embedded DRAM (the fastest Haswell GPU configuration that Intel will ship) and compared it to an ASUS UX15 with on-board NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M. 

Despite the chassis difference, Intel claims it will be able to deliver the same performance from the demo today in an identical UX15 chassis by the time Haswell ships.

The video below shows Dirt 3 running at 1080p on both systems, with identical detail settings (High Quality presets, no AA, vsync off). Intel wouldn't let us report performance numbers, but subjectively the two looked to deliver very similar performance. Note that I confirmed all settings myself and ran both games myself independently of the demo. You can be the judge using the video below:

Intel wouldn't let us confirm clock speeds on Haswell vs. the Core i7 (Ivy Bridge) system, but it claimed that the Haswell part was the immediate successor to its Ivy Bridge comparison point. 

As proof of Haswell's ability to fit in a notebook chassis, it did have another demo using older Haswell silicon running Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 in a notebook chassis. 

Haswell GT3e's performance looked great for processor graphics. I would assume that overall platform power would be reduced since you wouldn't have a discrete GPU inside, however there's also the question of the cost of the solution. I do expect that NVIDIA will continue to drive discrete GPU performance up, but as a solution for some of the thinner/space constrained form factors (think 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display, maybe 11-inch Ultrabook/MacBook Air?) Haswell could be a revolutionary step forward.

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  • stickmansam - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    The Anand review was showing an i7+ HD4000 vs AMD A10. There will never ever ever be a situation where price wise the too would would even be close together. The A10 would probably be matched against an i3 and at most an i5. So expect the 10% diff in HD4000 and AMD to be actually bigger in most situations since the i3/i5 weaker than i7 so less difference in CPU bound games.

    The GT3 is also running small amount of dedicated ram off package which means it probably won't see the light of the day outside of the 700+ range. This means a potential drop of 20% perf (judging by how desktops cards fare going from GDDR5 to DDR3)

    I will expect the GT3 (without dedicated ram) to pretty much match Trinity's perf and the GT3 with to beat it by about 20% ish.

    It will be interesting to see how GT3 with or without dRAM will do agianst Richland (optimized Trinity) or Kaveri (APU with stemaroller [potential match intel CPU perf] and GCN arch)
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  • whyso - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    You can buy an i7 notebook for $699.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

    For $749, you can currently get an i7-3632 with a 640m
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

    The cheapest trinity a10 notebook on newegg is $679.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

    Note (you can get cheaper other places). Trinity seems to run about $500 to 800.

    http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/acer-acer-1...

    So the prices are close but not that close. From a performance/$ viewpoint the $749 i7 + 640m is about 50% better gpu (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Lap... CPU wise the i7 is about twice as fast.

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-4600m-trinity-pi...

    The sandybridge i5 beats trinity at cpu tasks almost all the time. The ivy bridge i7 has twice the cores, a more efficient architecture and a higher turbo.

    So from a price/performance perspective the i7 + 640m beats the trinity + 7670m.

    Trinity offers dual graphics true, but the drivers for it suck.
    Despite getting over 2k 3dmark 11 points in games it performs just about as good as the integrated graphics.
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Lap...

    You can see that the hd 4000 is about as good as the a8 graphics. The hybrid crossfire on average is worse than just using the dedicated card so big whoop to that.

    gt3 will be interesting, it should be substantially better than trinity.
    The difference between hd4000 in different cpus is quite small.about 800 3dmark 11 pts for a duad core i7 compared to about 650 points for a ULV i5. standard i5's run about 50-100 mz slower than the i7 (1100 mhz vs 1150-1200mhz). AMD has stated that kaveri will be about 20-40% better than trinity gpu wise. GT3 could be really close as that is likely slightly inflated (aren't they always?).

    Kaveri will be nowhere close to intel i7 cpu performance.

    (Trinity cpu sucks majorly) Trinity + 7970m is worse than i7 + 660m (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GX60-Noteb... gameplay wise because of cpu bottlenecks.

    farcry 3 bottlenecked to 32 fps
    hitman 19 fps
    need for speed 24 fps
    world of tanks 34 fps
    gw2 18 fps
    sleeping dogs 35 fps
    This is AVERAGE fps not minimum

    AMD needs at least a 35% cpu power increase to make these games playable. Kaveri I can see getting 35% increase, but 2x, no way. http://techreport.com/news/24164/amd-shares-latest...
    About 20% increase, so hitman and gw2 will still be bottlenecked below 30 fps average.
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  • CeriseCogburn - Sunday, January 13, 2013 - link

    Thanks for shutting them up.

    Here is nVidia 645M for $699 in MSI lappy.... LOL

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

    Oh boom !

    It's finished trinity
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  • nicolbolas - Sunday, January 13, 2013 - link

    trinity laptops with A10-4600 start at $500.

    This would be an end to all trinity besides A10, but i doubt that the CPU + eRAM will cost anything under $300, probably more like $400+.

    What it means is that AMD (was forced to?) is releasing an updated trinity that is up to 40% faster GPU (probably 10-15 in real life) and up to 15% faster CPU (probably all from clock gains).

    oh, and it isn't called trinity.

    So i guess either way trinity dies XD

    also, i remember you asking for people to be contructive or something like that and you have not been. :(

    if you did say that can you please TRY to do it also :)

    PS. Intel's drivers are much worse than AMD's which are a lot better than a few years ago. NVIDIA's still is the best, but not as fast ahead.

    also, remember that the HD4000 only (officially) supported 100 games when it was released.... :(
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  • Spunjji - Monday, January 14, 2013 - link

    Do not expect Cerise to be consistent, non-hypocritical, or indeed constructive. I applaud you for asking but I have tried before. Reply
  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link

    Do not expect me to not be all of those, AND to denounce your lies by proving them as such, which is why you're such a sourpuss.

    If you want better behavior, don't openly lie and attack and presume and predict the future based upon your imagination, and then whine when you lose doing it.
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  • nicolbolas - Sunday, January 13, 2013 - link

    .... did you REALLY just do that?

    here,
    http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Search?NamedQuery=visio...

    The links for the five A10 laptops (all 4600) vary from:
    PcMall, Office Depot, and Newegg.

    so, you can get an A10-4600 laptop for $500 before taxes/shipping/etc.

    -Q
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  • CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link


    i forgot you amd fanboys are so cheap and poor and foolish, you'll spend $500 for a lousy piece of crap to get you by in shame, instead of $699 for a super screamer that will never disappoint you.
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  • Rontalk - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    Anandtech did unfair tests, using Trinity with 4GB CL11 RAM when it is known how sensitive for Memory. 8GB CL9 DDR3 almost doubles Trinity's frame rates and makes capable to run many games in High settings and some game in Ultra. And when you turn the details Up with AA and OA the difference between HD4000 and 7660G is twice.
    With other word Anandtech did not let Trinity's GPU to work, but the CPU and of course a 45W TDP i7 will show similar results as the 35W TDP A10 Trinity.
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  • whyso - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link

    Double, no way.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5...

    Yes this is desktop but I'd expect mobile to be less affected by memory bandwidth because mobile trinity runs at much lower speeds and requires less bandwidth.

    8 GB is not going to change anything over 4 GB. The trinity notebook is using 1600 Mhz ram, there is not that much room for improvement to CL 9.

    I agree completely that the difference between intel and trinity increases as AA and resolution increases. However, many of the games that anand tested in that review are running in the 30-40 fps range. It doesn't matter if trinity is twice as fast as the hd 4000 at 1080p with high details and AA if it only gets 10 fps because no one is going to be using that setting.
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