Intel Haswell GT3e GPU Performance Compared to NVIDIA's GeForce GT 650M
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 9, 2013 4:22 PM EST- Posted in
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- Intel
- Haswell
- Trade Shows
- CES 2013
Haswell isn't expected to launch until the beginning of June in desktops and quad-core notebooks, but Intel is beginning to talk performance. Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 with embedded DRAM (the fastest Haswell GPU configuration that Intel will ship) and compared it to an ASUS UX15 with on-board NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
Despite the chassis difference, Intel claims it will be able to deliver the same performance from the demo today in an identical UX15 chassis by the time Haswell ships.
The video below shows Dirt 3 running at 1080p on both systems, with identical detail settings (High Quality presets, no AA, vsync off). Intel wouldn't let us report performance numbers, but subjectively the two looked to deliver very similar performance. Note that I confirmed all settings myself and ran both games myself independently of the demo. You can be the judge using the video below:
Intel wouldn't let us confirm clock speeds on Haswell vs. the Core i7 (Ivy Bridge) system, but it claimed that the Haswell part was the immediate successor to its Ivy Bridge comparison point.
As proof of Haswell's ability to fit in a notebook chassis, it did have another demo using older Haswell silicon running Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 in a notebook chassis.
Haswell GT3e's performance looked great for processor graphics. I would assume that overall platform power would be reduced since you wouldn't have a discrete GPU inside, however there's also the question of the cost of the solution. I do expect that NVIDIA will continue to drive discrete GPU performance up, but as a solution for some of the thinner/space constrained form factors (think 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display, maybe 11-inch Ultrabook/MacBook Air?) Haswell could be a revolutionary step forward.
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CeriseCogburn - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
Hey amd fanboy brainfarter....." THIS HERE ARTICLE " Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 "
MOBILE REF BOARD
Hello ?
Oh sorry, I interrupted your gigantic amd radeon brainfart. Yeah, you got it 100% incorrect, but dats otay.
nicolbolas - Sunday, January 13, 2013 - link
they could use a mobile ref board that is using the 57 watt CPU.hello, it might be modified to support a desktop CPU.
We don't know....
Either way, it is still a huge jump for Intel and should force dGPU's to get a lot better.
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
And monkeys could fly from betwixt your buttocks cheeks.In this case, IT'S NOT AN INTEL HD4000, and it's NOT an 80W cpu, which is what butthead said to begin with "as a rebuttal".
Now you're coming up with your IMAGINARY 57W cpu scenario.
Got a link for Haswell 57Watter butthead ?
Spunjji - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
Not the best example... that frame-rate looked pretty shitty and the architecture in Temash isn't directly comparable to existing AMD APUs either.yankeeDDL - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
CeriseCogburn, sounds to me that if there's a fanboy here, that's you.Trinity trounches several low-end discrete graphic chips and outpaces by more than 2X any Ivy Bridge iGP.
Since with Hashwell the core count went from 16 to 40 (2.5X), I expect Hashwell to be slightly better than Trinity, at least on paper.
I could not find any direct comparison of Trinity's HD7660G vs the GT650M or something related.
Rontalk - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Trinity 7660G equal with GT630M, but Intel's GT3 nowhere will be close to GT650M. A higher TDP Haswell might gonna be faster than Trinity, like the Core i7 4930MX 57W will outperform the 35W Trinity, but in same TDP or ULV category Trinity will keep its leading positions.CeriseCogburn - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
" Trinity 7660G equal with GT630M"That's why amd fanboy "couldn't find any information" - LOL
It's right here on this site, but amd fanboy is clueless.
He might try using the search engine here.
The 630M WHIPS THE CRAP OUT OF TRINITY
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-rev...
Nice to give the amd fanboy such a big break
silverblue - Saturday, January 12, 2013 - link
It all depends on the titles, but sadly, there's nothing Trinity's 7660G can do about the GT630M, at least, not when packaged with the A10-4600M (the i7 in that comparison is a absolute beast which makes the comparison even more lopsided). It's close in places, but there are some titles that really benefit from CPU grunt, and that's really where AMD is currently falling flat on its face.Trinity's one advantage is low power usage - an i7 with GT630M won't last anywhere near as long with the same battery available - but you have to question whether, despite the extra gameplay time, performance will be good enough for the games you're playing.
whyso - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Fanboy much?Anandtech did an article on trinity. They found that it was a grand total of <<AMD fanboy drumroll here>> 25% faster than an i7 HD 4000.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-rev...
More benchmarks here. At low settings (the only settings that either gpu can really play games at) the two are quite comparable at many games. Sometimes trinity is better by 2x, sometimes it is better by only 10%.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Lap...
Trinity is better than the hd4000. But if the haswell gt3 is twice as good as hd 4000 (not unbelievable as you said yourself, 40 eu vs 16 eu), Haswell gt3 will beat trinity by a much larger margin than trinity beats the hd 4000.
stickmansam - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
The Anand review was showing an i7+ HD4000 vs AMD A10. There will never ever ever be a situation where price wise the too would would even be close together. The A10 would probably be matched against an i3 and at most an i5. So expect the 10% diff in HD4000 and AMD to be actually bigger in most situations since the i3/i5 weaker than i7 so less difference in CPU bound games.The GT3 is also running small amount of dedicated ram off package which means it probably won't see the light of the day outside of the 700+ range. This means a potential drop of 20% perf (judging by how desktops cards fare going from GDDR5 to DDR3)
I will expect the GT3 (without dedicated ram) to pretty much match Trinity's perf and the GT3 with to beat it by about 20% ish.
It will be interesting to see how GT3 with or without dRAM will do agianst Richland (optimized Trinity) or Kaveri (APU with stemaroller [potential match intel CPU perf] and GCN arch)