We're back! Brian and I recorded this one just after the holidays last week. Despite there not being a lot going on release wise, we had a bunch to talk about. Brian gave us updates on his experience with the Lumia 920, Droid DNA and Samsung's Galaxy Camera. I talk a bit about what the future holds for driving smartphone costs down, and we both talked about Nintendo's Wii U.

The AnandTech Podcast - Episode 11
featuring Anand Shimpi & Brian Klug

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Total Time: 1 hour 48 minutes

Outline - hh:mm

Nokia Lumia 920 - 00:00
Wireless Charging - 00:08
The Lumia 920 vs. Windows Phone 8X - 00:10
Verizon's Droid DNA - 00:21
Driving Smartphone Costs Down - 00:31
Paul Otellini's Early Retirement - 00:44
Samsung Galaxy Camera - 00:53
Google Nexus 4 LTE - 01:09
Inside the Nintendo Wii U - 01:20
Black Magic Intensity Pro - 01:33
Apple iPad 4 - 01:35

As always, comments are welcome and appreciated. 

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  • sporkfan - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    You guys were saying the margins need to consolidate before we'll have cheap smartphones, and that the Nexus 4 is a warning shot. Doesn't it already sound like Samsung and Apple have consolidated the margins? If it only costs them $200 to make those phones?

    You were also using PCs as an example... and that seems questionable to me. Because in order to get $699 PCs and $200 laptops on Black Friday, OEMs didn't just turn into "commodities"... didn't they also turn "unprofitable" and "frequently bankrupt"?

    Anyway, it sounds like Apple and Samsung could keep some kind of margins even if they are forced to compete with the Nexus 4 on cost. Won't that picture be different in the rest of the world? Why isn't the Nexus 4 basically the only phone to buy outside of the US?
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  • EnzoFX - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    Nexus 4 + TMobile value plan. My FU to subsidized, over priced plans AND phones. =P Reply
  • webby7 - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    Any update on the review of the Nokia 808 Pureview? Is it still coming?

    Love the podcast btw. Keep up the great work!
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  • tipoo - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    On 45nm, from the teardown the Us CPU is 30mm2. The PS360 CPUs on 45nm are still over 100mm2, as is a Core 2 Duo. Yesterday a well known Wii hacker revealed the internal clock speed of the CPU to be 1.2GHz, and also with less SIMD units than either of the HD twins.

    Neither of those point us to real world performance, but I'm just thinking here. To get to the same level of performance as the older 360 CPU, the thing needs 9x the performance per transistor (nearly a third as large, nearly a third the clock speed). Clock for clock core for core, even Intel didn't improve that much from 2006-2012.

    Even the Wii which was much chided for its specs was at least ahead of the last generation in every regard that I could tell, the Wii may be behind in some, even if it's better in others (GPU, RAM capacity).
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  • tipoo - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    Does the flip chip production method prevent anyone from looking at the architecture under a microscope like they have before? I expected something like that by now like what the Apple A series got. Reply
  • munim - Friday, November 30, 2012 - link

    I'd love to chat with Anand about tech! Reply
  • makken - Sunday, December 02, 2012 - link

    Sounds like they're using the Pinyin pronunciation of Qi, which does, in fact, sound like chi. Reply

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