Toshiba A665-3DV: 3D or Not 3D?

Let's start by getting this out of the way: to the naked eye—outside of some stickers on the palm rest informing us otherwise—the A665-3DV is identical to the A660D we reviewed last month. It has the same chassis, speakers, keyboard, touchpad, etc. We'll simply refer back to that review for our extended discussion of the aesthetics and design, because we've already got plenty to talk about. Of course, while the exterior is the same (outside of a switch to a 120Hz LCD, which we'll cover in a moment), the internal components are a different story.

Toshiba Satellite A665-3DV Specifications
Processor Intel Core i7-740QM
(4x1.73GHz, up to 2.93GHz Turbo, 45nm, 6MB L3, 45W)
Chipset Intel HM55
Memory 2x2GB DDR3-1066 (Max 2x4GB)
(Samsung DDR3-1066 @ 7-7-7-20 1T)
Graphics NVIDIA GTS 350M
(96 CUDA Cores, 450/1080/1580MHz Core/Shader/RAM)
Display 15.6" LED Glossy 16:9 120Hz 768p (1366x768)
Chi Mei (CMO) LCD—unknown model
Hard Drive(s) 640GB 5400 RPM Hard Disk
(Toshiba MK6465GSX)
Optical Drive Blu-Ray Combo Drive
(Matshita UJ240ES)
Networking Broadcom RTL8168/8111 Gigabit Ethernet
Broadcom 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
Audio Realtek ALC269 HD Audio
Harmon Kardon stereo speakers
Headphone (shared with optical) and microphone jacks
Battery 12-Cell, 10.8V, ~8300mAh, 98Wh battery
Front Side MMC/SD/MS/xD Reader
Left Side ExpressCard/34 slot
USB 2.0
eSATA/USB 2.0 combo port (with Sleep and Charge)
HDMI
Ethernet jack
VGA
Exhaust vent
Right Side Microphone/headphone jacks
2x USB 2.0
Optical drive
AC jack
Kensington lock
Back Side Nothing
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Dimensions 14.98" x 10.0" x 1.18-2.31" (WxDxH)
Weight ~6.6 lbs (with 12-cell battery)
Extras NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit
Webcam
101-key LED backlit keyboard with 10-key
Flash reader (MMC/MS/MS Pro/SD/xD)
Warranty 1-year standard warranty
Pricing $1599 MSRP
Online starting at $1400(9/28/2010)

This is actually quite interesting on one level. We complained about the 450MHz GPU clock on the HD 5650 GPU in the A660D, and here we have much hotter and higher performing parts in the same basic chassis. Obviously, the lower GPU clock on the A660D wasn't a matter of heat, because the A665-3DV manages to cool a GTS 350M along with a far more power hungry i7-740QM. (Note that the GTS 350M in this notebook also appears to have a lower clock than normal; NVIDIA specs the chip for 500 Core/1250 Shader, but CPUZ and GPUZ report the above 450/1080 instead. I guess Toshiba has a habit now of downclocking GPUs—or buying cheaper units that can't run at the normal speed perhaps?) But we're not here to lament the decisions made on the A660D, are we? Besides the CPU and GPU, we have the obligatory 2x2GB DDR3 memory, a large 640GB 5400RPM Toshiba hard drive, and a Blu-ray/DVDR combo drive. The backlit keyboard is still a welcome addition, even if we're not so keen on the feel (i.e. glossy keys). Better than average speakers and a webcam round out the package. Of course, we're here for the 3D Vision, right?

This is a first generation 3D Vision notebook. What's that mean? It means the 3D emitter is a separate USB device just like on desktops. There are next generation 3D Vision notebooks coming this fall (Acer's recently announced Aspire 5745DG for example, scheduled for availability later this month) with the 3D emitter built into the LCD bezel. If you're ready to buy into the whole 3D experience, integrating the emitter is definitely the way to go. Right now, if you want to take your laptop on the road, you'll need the power brick and cable, your 3D glasses, the 3D emitter, and possibly an extra USB cable to charge your glasses (though you can use the cable for the emitter). That's quite a bit of extra "stuff" to carry around, and you'll also need space to set the emitter when in use.­­ If you have an NVIDIA desktop GPU and a 120Hz LCD, you can use the same 3D Vision kit that comes with the A665-3DV on both systems, but that's about the only positive for the separate emitter.

We also had some issues with periodic flickering of the glasses—it felt like the shutters weren't syncing up properly; usually it cleared up after going into the NVIDIA control panel and setting things up again. Several times we also got a message in red saying the display wasn't 3D Vision ready, even though it obviously is. Again, doing the setup for 3D Vision would fix the problem. Another complaint is that despite having a 120Hz panel, there are certain transitions where the LCD doesn't respond fast enough, so you get a dim "double vision" effect. This was most prevalent on sharp contrast objects like a dark brown pole/building against a blue sky. So the "2ms" response time claims seen on 120Hz panels remain suspect; they're a best-case result with some transitions obviously requiring more than 8.3ms. Having said that, the 120Hz refresh rate is definitely appreciated, even if you never use 3D mode.

Finally, let's talk about performance. 3D Blu-ray worked fine in our testing, but you'll need the appropriate software to make it work. The included free Toshiba BD Player didn't support 3D playback when we started testing, but Toshiba released an updated version last week; we tested the latest version of PowerDVD 10 for the review, along with the Toshiba WinDVD 3D update. We didn't have an external 3DTV or display for testing, but such configurations are supposed to work with the latest NVIDIA drivers, and 3DTV Play support means you can even use your HDTV's glasses and hardware if you have it. While the multimedia aspects of 3D were fine, 3D gaming is a different story. We tested all the current crop of "3D Vision Ready" titles to see how they fared. At medium details and the native 768p resolution, only Batman: Arkham Asylum and Resident Evil 5 managed to break the 30FPS barrier; drop to minimum detail and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 squeaks by. Most of the other titles start at around 20 FPS, at minimum detail, and go down from there. Obviously, much more than a GTS 350M is required if you're serious about 3D Vision gaming.

Since we've already reviewed the A660D, there's not a lot new to say here. If you thought the A660D's plastic chassis was cheap, it's even worse in a $1400 notebook. Really, manufacturers that plan to use the same basic design in a large range of laptops should build for the higher quality market and let it trickle down. We thought the A660D was somewhat overpriced as well, unless you really need the ExpressCard port, so a chassis that feels more durable would work with the lower end A66x offerings as well. While it's not a terrible design, it's somewhat reminiscent of Clevo's high-end notebooks and their frequently chintzy look and feel. With the basics out of the way, we're going to jump right in to the benchmarks and performance.

Toshiba A665-3DV with 3D Multimedia
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  • EnzoFX - Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - link

    Seems like another product on Anandtech that's not for the power users here =p. I still know people with 1280x800 on 15" laptops... Reply
  • nubie - Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - link

    I admire that this is being sold, but am disappointed by the choice to use active glasses to display the content.

    This stems from the limitations of LCD refresh and the extra complexity associated with a Stereo-mirror or head-based stereoscopy system.

    I admit I have dabbled in CAD and modeling, where a 3D display is very useful. Many on the internet are quick to poo-poo 3D for gaming, perhaps they are correct, for both the casual and enthusiast or professional gamer it isn't attractive. I find it quite immersive and useful myself.

    I don't know if a laptop is quite the place for 3D gaming, but then laptops aren't really a good gaming platform anyway.

    I wonder if you can retro-fit a 120hz panel into a higher-quality laptop with a better video card than this system? If you did could you get nVidia Vision to work? I don't really trust nVidia in this regard because they have locked down their support. Ideally to make it simpler to use for the consumer, but this makes it useless for those with "unsupported" hardware that in reality has decent specifications for 3D use.
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  • Sabresiberian - Thursday, October 07, 2010 - link

    I guess it must be a good decision for a manufacturer to put one in instead of a 7200 RPM one, because a lot of manufacturers of laptops do it, but when the price difference is a couple of dollars, literally, it doesn't impress me and it is one of the things that puts a laptop in the "no" column, for me. Okay for a $500 machine or less, I suppose, but not one in this price range.

    ;)
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