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Four years ago AMD did the unthinkable: it announced the 5.4 billion dollar acquisition of ATI in a combination of cash and stock. What followed was a handful of very difficult years for AMD, an upward swing for ATI and the eventual spinoff of AMD’s manufacturing facilities to GlobalFoundries in order to remain profitable and competitive.

In the years post acquisition, many criticized AMD for blowing a lot of money on ATI and having little to show for it. Even I felt that for $5.4 billion AMD could’ve put together its own competent graphics and chipset teams.

Despite the protest and sideline evaluations, good has come from the acquisition. The most noticeable is the fact that AMD’s chipset business is the strongest it has ever been. AMD branded chipsets and integrated graphics are actually very good. And later this year, AMD will ship its first Fusion APUs (single die CPU/GPU): Ontario using Bobcat cores and an AMD GPU. Ontario will be the first tangible example of direct AMD/ATI collaboration since the acquisition.

Just as we’re about to see results from the acquisition AMD is announcing that it will retire the ATI brand later this year. Save those boxes guys, soon you won’t see an ATI logo on any product sold in the market.

The motivation behind the decision to retire the ATI brand comes from AMD’s own internal research. Unfortunately AMD isn’t sharing the details of this research, just the three major findings from it:

1) AMD brand preference triples when the person surveyed is aware of the ATI-AMD merger.
2) The AMD brand is viewed as stronger than ATI when compared to graphics competitors (presumably NVIDIA).
3) The Radeon and Fire Pro brands themselves (without ATI being attached to them) are very high as is.

The second point is really the justification for all of this. If AMD’s internal research is to be believed, AMD vs. NVIDIA is better from a marketing standpoint than ATI vs. NVIDIA. Honestly, AMD’s research seems believable. AMD has always seemed like a stronger brand to me than ATI. There’s little room for ego in business (despite it being flexed all too often) and I don’t believe AMD would hurt its marketing simply to satisfy any AMD executives - the research makes sense.

Meanwhile the third point is the realization that there are very few product lines with the ATI brand left. ATI's chipset operations were quickly absorbed in to AMD and given appropriate naming, while ATI's consumer electronics products such as their Digital TV division have been sold to other companies. Radeon and FirePro are the only two ATI product lines left, and both are strong brands on their own.

The brand switch also reflects some internal changes at AMD. Many important ATI employees have been relocated to AMD's base of operations in Austin, Texas in order to help with Liano, Ontario, and AMD's future Fusion products. So the line between AMD and ATI has been further blurring for some time.

The brand switch will start late this year, I’d guess in Q4 with Ontario and a new GPU release. AMD (and NVIDIA) originally had GPU designs for the 32nm process node however extensive teething problems with 40nm and 32nm forced TSMC to cancel the node and move directly to 28nm. This cancellation required both companies to redesign their parts to work within existing 40nm processes and move their original plans out to coincide with 28nm in 2011. As a result we will see an incremental update to the Radeon HD 5000 series at the end of this year, but don’t expect the sort of performance boost we got with the 5800 vs. 4800. This upcoming hardware will probably carry the AMD Radeon HD 6000 series brand. All existing hardware will continue to carry the ATI brand.

To go along with the new brand we get new logos. If OEMs want to display a badge without the AMD brand, there’s an alternative for that as well:

AMD states the AMD-less logos are purely at the request of OEMs who sell systems with Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs. I suspect Intel’s logo program may have some stipulations on being used adjacent to a sticker with an AMD logo on it, although AMD told me it was purely at the request of the OEMs trying to avoid confusion.

The other major change is AMD’s brand simplification at the retail level. Last year AMD introduced a new platform brand called Vision. If you buy a PC with all AMD components (CPU, chipset and GPU) it can carry a Vision logo (similar to Intel’s Centrino brand). There are four categories of Vision support all with increasing hardware requirements: Vision, Vision Premium, Vision Ultimate and Vision Black. The idea is that if you buy a standard Vision PC you’ll have a good entry level machine, but buying up the stack grants you additional capabilities and performance (e.g. Blu-ray playback, web cam support, discrete GPUs, multicore CPUs etc...). We’ve explained it all in greater detail here.

Starting next year, AMD’s Vision badge will be the only CPU brand you see on retail desktops/notebooks. You’ll still get Radeon/Fire Pro badges on systems that use those parts, but you’ll no longer see a Phenom II, Athlon II, Turion or Sempron logo on Vision systems. Instead you’ll see what CPU is inside on the little card that sits next to the system at your local retailer.

I suspect this will last until AMD introduces Bulldozer, at which point it’ll probably be very eager to build up its brand - assuming performance its is competitive.

Final Words

Retiring the ATI brand comes at an interesting time in the microprocessor market. Graphics is becoming much more important, but to date we have very few examples outside of 3D games as good consumer applications for powerful GPUs. AMD views this as the perfect time to consolidate its brands before the CPU/GPU line gets more blurry.

AMD also pointed out that its market share has been on a steady climb over the past few years. According to Mercury Research, AMD’s discrete GPUs climbed from ~33% marketshare at the end of 2007 to 51% last quarter. AMD has executed unusually well on the GPU side and NVIDIA has had some very difficult years in the process, both of which are responsible for AMD’s climb. The ATI name will go out on a high note.


AMD Discrete GPU Marketshare, Source: Mercury Research

If all goes well with AMD’s two exciting new CPU architectures next year, the brand will only get stronger going forward. Bobcat could do very well in today’s netbook/thin and light notebook form factors and Bulldozer may mark a return to competition in the server and high end desktop markets.

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  • Marburg U - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    Ati is a brand that can beat the devil out of nVidia.
    Amd is a brand that can merely get along compared to Intel.

    ATI is a brand much more present than AMD in people's computer.

    >"AMD brand preference triples when the person surveyed is aware of the ATI-AMD merger."

    So, the problem is exactly when AMD goes alone on the field.

    I think this is the worst choice those at amd would have picked.
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  • mino - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    IMHO they are doing this for LOONG term reasons and are prepared to feel the pain short-term.
    Sad news, but necessary.
    They had to merge sometime - just take the HP-Compaq confusion after all the years.

    HD6000 is beyond NV reach, Ontario seems VERY promising, Lliano is going the way of a cash cow and Bulldozer, their future, is coming too.
    Basically this moment is most probably their single best time for brand merging in the next 5 yrs.
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  • JimmiG - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    I find the "Radeon/FirePro Graphics" badges extremely boring and uninteresting.

    The original "ATI Radeon" badge has got the ATI logo, which looks somewhat interesting with the way the A and i are written. The "Radeon graphics - AMD" has got the AMD logo which adds interest thanks to the little arrow. The plain Radeon Graphics logo however, has nothing interesting to draw attention to it, just an ugly compressed font. It looks like something that took 10 minutes to put together.

    If Radeon is going to be kept as a brand name, they should at least go out of their way to make an interesting and attractive logo and typeface for it.
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  • AznBoi36 - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    It's probably just a mock up. We'll see the real badges when they release their new products under the AMD name. Reply
  • ET - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    Whenever I post I always think whether to refer to the graphics cards as ATI or AMD. Now I finally won't have to. :)

    I agree with AMD that the move makes sense, especially with Fusion. And Radeon really is a strong brand by itself.
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  • Hauk - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    Wreckage! And here you thought he was just trying to stir up trouble. Nice one Wreckage.. Reply
  • softdrinkviking - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    lol.

    50 points to anand for pandering to my inner geek's sense of humor
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  • Chalnoth - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    They'll drop the ATI brand until the next time they release a poor product and want to "rebrand" their product lineup on the next iteration. The dropping of the ATI brand, in fact, may be an indication that their next architecture is a bit risky, which would make the name change a win/win for them: if the architecture does well, then the AMD brand gets a big boost. If the architecture is poor, then they can just re-brand their follow-up as "ATI" and that bad past is wiped away. Reply
  • softdrinkviking - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    it would be more risky to fool around with their branding, confusing the public. anybody really into the tech knows enough about the company to see through the marketing to some degree, but most folks just go out and buy something that looks familiar.
    switching around their name is not a smart move unless they can be sure how the public will react.
    it seems way too frivolous for AMD to bring back "ATI" in a generation or two because they feel a product underperformed.
    that would show an incredible lack of integrity in the company, and probably kill off brand solidarity for both monikers.

    i really think this is the real deal as far as going with AMD goes. even their website has been slowly converging the ATI/AMD sites into one megasite since the initial purchase.
    i guess what i'm saying is that, i had a feeling this was coming; the writing was on the wall, ect.
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  • piroroadkill - Monday, August 30, 2010 - link

    As much as I love the ATI brand, I don't really see anything wrong with this.

    They're not killing the distinctitve red logo, and hopefully not the distinctive red boards (!) because, well, AMD's traditional colour has been green, and we know how confusing that would be.

    You'll still be buying a Radeon, and you can keep calling it ATI if you want, since it's essentially the same guys.
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