NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 465: Cheaper Isn’t Always Better
by Ryan Smith on May 31, 2010 3:26 AM ESTMeet Zotac’s GeForce GTX 465
Unlike the GTX 480/470 launch, NVIDIA is not seeding the press with reference cards. Instead that task has been left up to the vendors, who are selling identical cards that we believe all come from NVIDIA. For our review Zotac was kind enough to send over their GTX 465, our first Zotac video card here at AnandTech.
As we said previously, the GTX 465 is built upon the same PCB/cooler as the GTX 470, so the cards are indistinguishable except for the Zotac branding and identification stickers on the card. Internally things are also the same, with Zotac’s GTX 465 using the same 5-pipe heatsink that we’ve seen on the GTX 470. NVIDIA’s own cooling recommendations also remain unchanged, with NVIDIA suggesting to space GTX 465 cards as far apart as possible when using them in SLI.
With the reuse of the GTX 470’s PCB, the layout of the card remains unchanged. For drawing power in is a pair of 6-pin PCIe power sockets, while driving the outputs are 2x DVI-I ports and a mini-HDMI port. Length also remains unchanged at 9.5”.
For pack-ins, Zotac is shipping the card with a pair of dual-Molex to PCIe 6-pin power adaptors, a DVI to VGA dongle, and a mini-HDMI to HDMI dongle. The included documentation is composed of the usual English-language generic user’s manual and an equally generic multilingual quick installation guide.
The software pack-in is composed of a CD containing NVIDIA’s 197.75 drivers, and trial versions of Badaboom, vReveal, Super LoiLoScope, and bitDefender. Our copy did not include Just Cause 2 since it arrived before NVIDIA’s last-minute inclusion of the game, however we have confirmed that the actual retail cards will include it. This will be a coupon to download it from a digital distribution service, rather than a pressed disc.
Finally, Zotac is offering a lifetime warranty on their GTX 465 (registration required). As you may recall in our GTX 480/470 review we were left uneasy by the cards’ high temperatures and recommended a lifetime warranty – the GTX 465’s operating temperatures are similar enough that we would make the same recommendation, so this is right up that alley.
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multivac - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
also, you thanked Zotec at the endrscsr - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
I read earlier the GTX465 review at computerbase.de and the load temperatures and power are well of both GTX 465 are well below the GTX 470.could it be that there is something wrong with your GTX 465 or your GTX 470 has a particular low power draw?
Ryan Smith - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
It's always possible.The primary issue is that the quality of chips coming off of a wafer are going to be variable in the best of times, and TSMC's situation is not quite that good. So between any two cards there can be a lot of variability, which is hard to account for when we only have a handful of any given card.
I do not believe that our GTX 465 is "damaged" in any way. It functions just fine. But it consumes a lot of power, and it's hot. We may have simply received a card with a poorer-than-average GPU, which would color our results.
As for our GTX 470, looking at some of the other reviews of it, I don't believe it's particularly exceptional.
For anyone curious, under FurMark the fan on our 470 stabilizes at 76%. On the GTX 465 it stabilizes as 80%. This is the primary reason why our GTX 465 is louder than our 470.
CPUGuy - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
"I read earlier the GTX465 review at computerbase.de and the load temperatures and power are well of both GTX 465 are well below the GTX 470.could it be that there is something wrong with your GTX 465 or your GTX 470 has a particular low power draw?"
Perhaps they were given a different sample card? Ever thought of that? You folks have to remember that these are not retail cards.
CPUGuy - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
Why are you taking another review into consideration when they may have been given a different sample? I honestly don't think they had a retail version.MrSpadge - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
It's said somewhere in the article that nVidia is using different voltages for these chips. So there you have it: Anand tested one at the upper bound of the voltage range (a worse chip) whereas computerbase likely got one which was more in line with the voltage on the 470/480s.Yes, voltage can make such a difference in power draw.
tviceman - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
This review is sloppy and outright laughable at points. Although you state which Nvidia drivers used (3 of them) you clearly used different drivers and/or old benchmarks for the same game on many parts of the tests, despite the 257 drivers offering some noticeable across-the-board increases. Even if not by much, FPS scores should be slightly different and/or up. In some reviews, it was clear newer drivers were only used on certain cards as the gtx470 is way faster than the gtx480 at BFBC2. Nearly all the other benchmarks, though, have both cards scoring the exact same as they did at release.It's not an accurate, or credible, way to post a review. All tests should be done on the same configuration. same software, same hardware, same drivers. If you don't have time to rerun your gtx470/480 benchmarks with the latest drivers, then you should NOT include them in the review.
tviceman - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
And just to say, it's not that I disagree with your analysis on the gtx465, but if you are going to have huge graphs showing how all the cards perform and where they fit vs. their counterparts and rivals, those graphs need to be accurate and not using different configurations that will skew results.Ryan Smith - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
New drivers are always a thorny issue. In an ideal world I'd like to update our results with the latest drivers as they're released. But realistically it's 1-1.5 man-weeks of work to redo the entire benchmark suite and that's just not practical.As a result, for the most part we will keep the same results set for upwards of 6 months. If there's a significant change in performance due to a new driver we'll go ahead and rerun some numbers as necessary, which we have done for the 257.15 drivers. We will probably redo some more benchmarks, but it wasn't possible to get anything else done ahead of this review.
tviceman - Monday, May 31, 2010 - link
Well I think it's only fair, proper, and balanced to run all the cards with the same configuration. If you're unable to do so in the time frame alloted, then only include the cards which are in immediate competition and add more later.The BFBC2 benchmark looks plain WRONG with the gtx470 trouncing the gtx480. And since other gtx470 scores were exactly the same as your original review, it just looks like you randomly picked a few small benchmarks to update with the latest drivers, and left the rest untouched.
It just isn't accurate.