A Prelude about Availability

Just two weeks ago, ATI introduced their brand new line of X850 and X800 GPUs, a month before the end of the year. In a highly unusual move for a graphics company to introduce so many new products just before the year's end, many have speculated as to the true reasoning behind ATI's decision. Had this been a launch in October or November, it would have been a non-issue, as that's still (barely) enough time to capitalize on the holiday selling period, but a month before the end of the year?

If you ask ATI, the launch was their chance to resolve some availability problems that they had with their higher end cards. ATI promised that within a week of its launch, the Radeon X850 line would be available for purchase online and by January, the new X800 GPUs would also be available. If you ask NVIDIA, they'll say that ATI's year end launch was nothing more than an attempt to delay the purchase of NVIDIA cards and that the availability of the X850 before 2005 was a myth.

If you ask us, we don't know who or what to believe anymore. This past year has been filled of missed releases, missed launches and misinformation. From NVIDIA's Video Processor to ATI's disappearing X700 XT, we're tired of all of it. ATI's promise about X850 GPUs being sold a week after they were launched turned out to be empty as we still can't find any X850 based GPUs available for sale. Even after firing off multiple emails to ATI asking for resolution on the availability matter, we were met with nothing but silence. ATI had no problem answering other questions, but all of our queries about X850 availability have been left untouched. Maybe radio silence will make the problem go away...

We don't think so. The credibility of both GPU vendors has been hurt tremendously this year. Neither side can say that they aren't guilty of the very same things that they accuse the other of doing. It's really a shame because in the end, it hurts their consumers, our readers and makes it much more difficult for anyone, including us, to put faith and trust in what we are told by ATI and NVIDIA.

Hands on with the Radeon X800 XL

Despite all of the issues with availability, about a week ago, ATI fired us off an email saying that we should expect a Radeon X800 XL at our doorsteps. You'll remember from our review of the new X850 and X800 GPUs that the X800 XL is a lower clocked version of the 16-pipe/256-bit memory bus X800 XT built on a 0.11-micron process (as opposed to a 0.13-micron low-k process). Originally priced at $349, the X800 XL would inevitably be ATI's overdue answer to the GeForce 6800GT. We mention its "original" price because less than 24 hours before the publication of this article, ATI informed us that the new price of the X800 XL would be $299, a full $100 less than the GeForce 6800GT. ATI also adjusted the price of the vanilla X800 down to $199.



ATI R480/R430 Product Lineup
Corec
memc
ppipe
ddvi
mem
fab
price
Radeon X850 XT PE
540
1.18
16
yes
256
0.13
$549
Radeon X850 XT
520
1.08
16
yes
256
0.13
$499
Radeon X850 Pro*
520
1.08
12
no
256
0.13
$399
Radeon X800 XL
400
1
16
no
256
0.11
$299
Radeon X800
400
0.700
12
no
128
0.11
$199
*Radeon X850 Pro clock speeds are not yet final

The overclocking community was also quite interested in the X800 XL because of its 0.11-micron manufacturing process. While the card comes clocked at 400/500 (core/memory) by default, a 0.11-micron process would mean that it should reach higher clock speeds than the slower, more power consuming 0.13-micron transistors in the X850, right? The problem here is that although the X800 XL's 0.11-micron transistors do consume less power and can switch faster than those in ATI's 0.13-micron GPUs, that doesn't mean that GPUs based on them will run faster. If we were talking about an isolated situation with just one transistor, then there wouldn't be much of an argument, but with the X800 core, we're dealing with around 160 million transistors - greatly complicating things.



The problem with making smaller transistors running at high frequencies is that there ends up being a great degree of interference or crosstalk between adjacent wires connecting these transistors on the chip. The amount of crosstalk goes up as the operating frequency increases (and as the transistor size decreases), thus becoming a problem as you try and increase the clock of a GPU. The crosstalk is caused by the inherent capacitance of the material surrounding the wires, or put more plainly, the nature of the material next to a wire to remember the charge placed on that wire. So, in order to ramp up clock speed, you have to reduce capacitance and currently, that's done by using materials that have lower "k-values" to insulate between these crosstalking wires. The 0.13-micron process that is used on GPUs like the Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition is a 0.13-micron process that employs a low-k dielectric just like we mentioned above. The k-value of the dielectric material used in the X850 XT PE is lower than that used in the 0.11-micron X800 XL, making the X850 more resistant to crosstalk. Keeping in mind that the 0.13-micron process is more mature, it's not too surprising that when ATI needed to hit a 540MHz clock speed, they chose their 0.13-micron low-k process and not the 0.11-micron process on which the X800 XL is based.

This isn't to say that the X800 XL won't be a good overclocker, but you shouldn't expect it to be able to hit clock speeds as high as the X850 series. The future is in smaller transistor feature sizes, there's no doubt about that, but for now, the more mature, higher clock speed process is the 0.13-micron low-k process that ATI has used on other members of their product line.



Because of its "low" 400MHz core clock and low power 0.11-micron transistors, the X800 XL gets all the power that it needs from the PCI Express slot with no extra power connector needed.


Unfortunately, we could not test the overclockability of our X800 XL sample as none of the available tools would recognize, much less allow us to adjust the clock speed of the GPU. As soon as the X800 XL is shipping, we should be able to provide you with accurate overclocking expectations of retail cards, which will be much more useful to you than how well our press review sample managed to overclock in the first place. That being said, we would've liked to fulfill our curiosities if it were possible.

So today, we have ATI's first 0.11-micron high end GPU. It won't be able to outrun a X850, even if we could overclock it, but it's priced $100 lower than NVIDIA's 6800GT, which makes it interesting. We've already looked at the performance of the X800 XL in our X850 article, but now we have the ability to focus on power consumption as well as the comparison to NVIDIA's 6800GT in this review. So, let's get to it.
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  • Keyser0804 - Thursday, December 16, 2004 - link

    I just thought the 6800nu should be compared because of the pricing, even if it is a weaker card. Nividia will probably drop prices to compete, right? Reply
  • DS Delaroca - Thursday, December 16, 2004 - link

    im yet to see an ATI/Nvidia high end card on the shelf or online for the 499.99 to 599.99 if at all, this paper lauch crap needs to stop its misleading and LUDACRIS. Reply
  • DS Delaroca - Thursday, December 16, 2004 - link

    who cares about doom 3, i care more about real games like Far Cry, HL2 and EQ2, doom3 was to me nothing more than just a demo, besides i have not see any companies picking that engine for next gen. games, i have see people talking more about HL2 and the unreal 3 engine than D3. Reply
  • Filibuster - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    >Anand, thanks for the great review.... Do you have any knowledge or hints as to when the pci-e 6800gts are going to start showing up in more volume?

    I second that!
    Please look into this!
    If its something you can't say then at least say that you can't say. :)
    Thanks.
    Reply
  • Gaia Hunter - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    6800nu and 6800LE are excellent choices for those AMD users that want to wait for PCI-e motherboards for AMD, without wasting $400+ in a card that will after be obsolete (AGP 6800GT/ULTRA and AGP X800PRO/XT).

    Those users will also have a good choice of being able to unlock their cards to 16/6(pipelines/vertex) in a Vanilla or 12/5 in a LE (some get 16/6 also in LE).

    Those that cant unlock, will generally be able to do some good overclock, unless they're extremly unlucky and got a very bugged "ULTRA" core!!!!!
    Reply
  • mczak - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    isn't the 6800nu more a competitor to the X800 than the X800XL? The 6800nu is usually just slightly faster than a 6600GT, ans since the X800 beats the 6600GT, it ought to be a close call performance wise (other than doom3). IIRC the 6800nu is downgraded compared to 6800GT pretty much the same as the X800 compared to X800XL is (128MB instead of 256MB ram, ~70% memory clock, ~3/4 pixel fill rate). Reply
  • DerekWilson - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    As per the vanilla 6800, we had not been able to find a PCI Express 12 pipe card either from a vendor or on the street until now.

    This week we noticed one on newegg from MSI for $339. That's the only one we've seen, and we haven't gotten any in our labs yet. Last week, there weren't any to be had in the USA for as much digging as we did.

    With the new pricing and knowing the performance of the 6800 GT vs. the 6800, one can extrapolate that the X800 XL will certainly out perform the 12-pipe 6800 part in price and performance. Our recommendation (if the X800 XL sees the light of day) will be with the ATI part at $299 if the standard PCIe 6800 cards available today stick at $40 more.

    On the AGP side, ATI won't talk about what they are and aren't bridgeing back until they finish their bridge. We won't know if the vanilla 6800 AGP is safe at it's $275 street price until we hear more on that front.

    Thanks,
    Derek Wilson
    Reply
  • ViRGE - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    #20, they can't compare it to a 6800NU because they don't have a PCIe 6800NU, it doesn't exist yet. This is a PCIe-only test, so everything tested needs to come in a PCIe variety. Reply
  • shabby - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    Very nice, but pci express my ass, the x800 is agp based sp why did they switch to pci-e? Reply
  • Questar - Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - link

    >>>
    Unfortunately, we could not test the overclockability of our X800 XL sample as none of the available tools would recognize, much less allow us to adjust the clock speed of the GPU
    >>>

    Didn't have a copy of Powerstrip around eh?
    Reply

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