Our introduction to NV36 in the form of the GeForce FX 5700 Ultra has really been a different experience than we expected. We thought we would see similar gains on the 5600 that we saw the 5950 make over the 5900. We also didn't expect NVIDIA to drop the veil they've had on the technical aspects of their products.

From the first benchmark we ran, we knew this would turn out to be a very interesting turn of events. In going down to San Francisco for NVIDIA's Editor's Day event, we had planned on inquiring about just how they were able to extract the performance gains we will reveal in our benchmarks. We got more than we had bargained for when we arrived.

For the past few years, graphics companies haven't been very open about how they build their chips. The fast paced six month product cycle and highly competitive atmosphere (while good for consumers) hasn't been very conducive to in depth discussions of highly protected trade secrets. That's why we were very pleasantly surprised when we learned that NVIDIA would be dropping their guard and letting us in on the way NV35 (including NV36 and NV38) actually works. This also gives us insight into the entire NV3x line of GPUs, and, hopefully, gives us a glimpse into the near future of NVIDIA hardware as well.

Aside from divulging a good amount of technical information, NVIDIA had plenty of developers present (a response to ATI’s Shader Day, no doubt). For the purposes of this article, I would like to stick to the architectural aspects of the day rather than analyzing NVIDIA developer relations. It isn't a secret that NVIDIA spends a great deal of time, energy, and money on assisting game developers in achieving their graphical goals. But we believe that "the proof is in the pudding" so to speak. The important thing to us (and we hope to the general public) isn't which developers like and dislike working with an IHV, but the quality of the end product both parties produce. Truth be told, it is the developer's job to create software that works well on all popular platforms, and its the IHV's job to make sure there is sufficient technical support available for developers to get their job done.

We should note that NVIDIA is launching both the NV36 (GeForce FX 5700 Ultra) and the NV38 (GeForce FX 5950 Ultra) today, but since we have already covered the 5950 in our previous roundups we will focus on the 5700 Ultra exclusively today.

First let us look at the card itself.

The GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
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  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 26, 2003 - link

    Stop acting like a moron and coming to conclusions on your own. If you actually had a method to checks IPs, you would see that I only posted ONCE. (#96). Maybe other people posted more than once, but assuming that the 10 posts are only from one person is complete BS. Unless you have proof, keep your mouth shut. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Sunday, October 26, 2003 - link

    Please, #98 is right. Look at #'s 87-97; all of them were posted within an hour. Then look at the rest of the responses toward the end of this thread. Puhlease. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    #98 just wanted to say that cause hes overwhelmed with how many people are posting with common sense. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    #98 which one would that be? Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    LMAO! Some loser is posting messages pretending to be a different person each time! LOL, nice try, you were caught. Next time try changing your IP address, you look stupid. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    and these days you can easily find a ati 9700 for around $220ish

    Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    Argh wtf.. this review is clearly biased. Very disappointing AT.. very..

    "The GeForce FX 5700 Ultra will be debuting at $199 after a mail in rebate. If $200 is your hard limit, and you need a midrange card right now, the 5700 Ultra is the way to go if you want solid frame rates."

    Its 200 dollars AFTER the rebate comes in the mail. If you only have money to buy a $200 card, how the hell are you suppose to buy a 5700? Don't know, don't care..

    Grrr.

    Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    #76
    How dare you say ATI driver performance is not up to NVidia's?

    After all that cheating fiasco, replacing shader code, IQ optimization, Clipping planes, program detection, etc etc etc.

    WAKE UP dammit.
    Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    #62

    60,000 and alone? Yet defending [A] on their crap?

    Now I understand why you live alone...even if you didn't want to it'll be hard to find a partner that can stand such a lame attitude.

    I agree on the part of doing some investigations before investing. Yet you contradict yourself if you see no IQ diferences....for the hardware you might be able to buy, you should see it miles away. I do in a cheapo 17" monitor.

    You should be investing more in your eyes man....
    Reply
  • Anonymous User - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    #53

    No, it won't help, but for sure the website might GET A CLUE about what they are definitively not doing right.
    Reply

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